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Charles Bastille's avatar

If she ends up dead, too, Alex Jones will do a special episode and fake another cry session.

But all these MAGA crocodile tears over Epstein will end soon enough, since half the Republican Party is probably on his list, and they'll all move on to something else.

The only good news in all this is that there are multiple copies on multiple hard drives of the list, the videos, and more, somewhere, and eventually, someone will find a way to get them in front of the public without getting killed first.

Hard drives never die. They merely reproduce their contents, because there are always people who have a reason for them to be found.

cal lash's avatar

I'm willing to bet someone or someones has a copy of it all. If so Will it get released before the next presidential election?

Henry Cohen's avatar

It needs to be released much sooner than that. Can you imagine how much suffering and death Trump will cause during the next three and a half years? I doubt that the congressional Republicans will impeach and convict even if it is proven that he is a child rapist, since they don't care that he raped an adult woman. In 2026, if the Democrats control the House and the Senate, the House would impeach, but would enough Republican senators join the Democrats to get a two-thirds vote to convict?

cal lash's avatar

You are correct.

And the legislators are mostly cowards.

Terry's avatar

There is a woman who claimed the rapist raped her as a 13 yr old. She received death threats of course and withdrew from the scene - we know he did it!

SoTiredofWinning's avatar

Just check their track record

celeste k.'s avatar

If there is a compelling Democratic majority in the Senate, and enough Senators are NOT on the infamous list.

Arthur E. Norton's avatar

So let’s elect 60 Democrats in the senate.

Henry Cohen's avatar

Two-thirds requires 67.

Arthur E. Norton's avatar

Yup. Saw it and didn’t bother to amend. Thanks. 67 will never happen.

Susan Burgess's avatar

Yes, so do I, Cal. Donald himself for instance. He needs the only single copy of that list to be in his sole control. No question Bondi would have handed it over to him if she had it. Kompromat like THAT for a man like that is worth its weight in golden bidets.

Susan Burgess's avatar

Plus, he’s a known document hoarder. He believes his power lies in hoarding top secret documents apparently.

Patrick Daniels aka Cromulent1's avatar

Bill Barr was Trumps AG for a number of reasons Cal, Reagan’s treasonous investigation over Irangate was ended by Barr, as was HR Bush and Ronnie’s Iran-Contra! It was reported that Barr led the investigation in Epstein’s residences… if Barr has the goods, they’ll never see the light of day!

Linda Weide's avatar

I have been wondering whether the list and other documentation will be leaked. Has the department been totally purged of people? What if someone who got summarily fired in the intelligence community has copies? What if this information ends up with Putin, or some other nefarious leader who can hold it over Trump?

Also, if what Zev Shaleb is saying is true that Epstein was an Israeli asset setting up Democrats for info to control them with to control US policy, then would Mossad get to Maxwell in Tallahassee if they thought she would spill the beans?

https://www.narativ.org/p/special-report-the-secret-life-of?r=f0qfn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

Bruce Culver's avatar

One should assume that after what happened to Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislane Maxwell has taken care to let certain people know that copies of the evidence - all of it - will be leaked to numerous news agencies should anything happen to her. Since she will be in the hoosegow for 20 years or so, Trump need fear little from her - as long as she is alive.....

Bruce Culver's avatar

Apparently the Trump crew handled the "Epstein files" badly enough that Ghislane Maxwell's lawyers are threatening an appeal for a retrial, and there have been enough lies told in the wrong places to make that possible..... One report said she was threatening to spill the beans with receipts if a retrial does not happen.....you can't make this stuff up.

Terry's avatar

I am concerned she will be murdered. I don't really have much sympathy for her - she deserves the worst - but I would like to see her spill the beans and watch the felon rapist dissolve into insanity...

Marlene Lerner-Bigley (CA)'s avatar

Trump will murder her like he had his thugs do to Epstein. If she’s real smart, she will spill the beans and I don’t give a flying F who she names!

Joseph Smith's avatar

Donnibal Lecter…

arne link's avatar

He's a good crier. Better than most women, I would say.

GARY MOYER's avatar

Yes, we are treading water in a digital sea, having left behind the apparent safety and security of our analog home.

And it happened like Magic.

I remember saying to my son a mere twenty years ago: “Why would I want to leave my phone turned on? It’s only for emergencies.”

Charles Bastille's avatar

Turned out you were quite right.

GARY MOYER's avatar

Yep, The Long Emergency.

Charles Bastille's avatar

Your attitude towards phones suggests that you might like my short story (if you enjoy fiction) called Thirty Minutes (just search for that on my Ruminato.com substack), about an AMBER alert type thing that orders people to off themselves within 30 minutes. It's an absurdist tale, of course, but, well, we are officially in an absurdist timeline.

Patrick Daniels aka Cromulent1's avatar

I’ve been curious about her safety, considering Epstein’s demise…though she’s a despicably evil creature, deserving of every day of her 20 year sentence. She likely has the Trump history well catalogued. Excellent piece Lucian!

Sharon D. Bailey's avatar

“The ‘felon’ doth protest too much methinks”.

His rant really does reveal how upset this subject makes him.

Lucien, “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”

Paula B.'s avatar

I've said this elsewhere and I'll say it again. Why are Epstein's files and Maxwell's word more important than the accounts of the victims? There are at least a thousand of them. They know exactly what happened. Why is no one asking them?

Sandi Borger's avatar

Thank you! This is the most important question. These women have barely been mentioned anywhere. In fact, I want to thank Lucian for being the only one (at least from the many journalists, pundits etc I follow) who has devoted 2 columns this week to these women and the horror they’ve lived through. And whose lives have forever been ruined. THEY’RE the ones with the complete client list and they’re just being brushed aside. I’m sure most are frightened to come forward but my hope is that there will be a concerted effort (maybe from a journalist) to bring these women together to file a civil action against their rapists.

MaryPat's avatar

I think the "young women" are rightfully terrified.

Marlene Lerner-Bigley (CA)'s avatar

Some did give testimony and now one is dead, by suicide. Her recount was the most important one because she had photos and described Epstein’s “love island” with perfect accuracy. Ghislaine should not be pardoned as she is the wicked witch of the west. Despicable humans, all of them!

Paula B.'s avatar

Yes, but why is no one asking for their testimony? Because some list written by a dead man carries more weight than their word? They were there. They are eyewitnesses.

Paula B.'s avatar

Thank you, Sandi. It makes my blood boil that no one is acknowledging that these women are more important than a dead man's list or the word of a criminal.

Leigh Van Lydegraf's avatar

A death wish...sad to say.

Terry's avatar

I think bc they are afraid of being raped again in the media, or by the felon rapist and his minions, or being murdered by them...

Ralph T.'s avatar

Not just him, if in fact the list is as all inclusive as the rumors imply.

Paula B.'s avatar

I'm not talking about whether the women will come forward. I'm asking why no one is suggesting that they testify.

Leigh Van Lydegraf's avatar

Would you give up your anonymity for certain death?

Paula B.'s avatar

See my comment above. I'm not saying they don't have reason to be afraid. I'm asking why no one is requesting that they tell their side of the story. Why is something a dead man wrote more credible than a woman's eyewitness testimony?

Maura's avatar

I absolutely agree. Ghislaine was the “Madam.” Trump and the other scumbags must be terrified of her. Morally corrupt does not even begin to describe these cretins. Maxwell included.

Ellen Franzen's avatar

I completely agree with your analysis. For the last few days I have been saying that Maxwell should not be released from prison, as some have suggested, because I think she is safer there. Epstein died in prison, while t was president during his first term, and it's not clear exactly what happened. I do not think Maxwell would survive long in this environment if she was out of prison, and I think her safety at this point is questionable even in prison.

Kevin Egan's avatar

She is *not* safe in prison! Easiest place for a mob hit…look up what happened to Whitey Bulger *one day* after he was transferred to protective custody…

Stan Wakefield's avatar

Maxwell isn't safe anywhere in prison or out, and if she's allowed access to the media, she's probably crapping herself with worry. Felon47 will find a way for her to have a fatal "accident" before she has a chance to spill her guts. Maybe ICE will pay her a visit with fatal consequences?

Ellen Franzen's avatar

I think she is safer in prison, I didn't say she was safe.

Susan Rohrbach's avatar

And he was transferred to an unsafe place. On purpose?

Robert N Abernethy's avatar

& meanwhile, back at the ranch:

ICE agents pointed guns at & arrested volunteer Professional Disaster Relief personnel from Mexico, who arrived to help long before any FEMA personnel @ the Guadalupe River.

Gov Abbott condoned the arrests.

Muchas Gracias Pendejos.

Robert N Abernethy's avatar

There is now some question about the veracity of these reports. There is no doubt that many ordinary Mexican citizens as well as professional rescue crews arrived long before any response from Homeland

(in) Security. The supposed actions by ICE may B false however.

Runfastandwin's avatar

Maybe but given their track record I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Prinny A.'s avatar

It has also been reported that the Kerrville sheriff offered to sponsor green cards for some of the Mexican rescue workers because they saved his family. Sounds like truth is as tangled as the masses of flood debris.

Robert N Abernethy's avatar

The original video may have been AI generated. We’ll see.

cal lash's avatar

Ghislaine is not safe .

And given Trump we are all not safe.

Terry's avatar

She made her bed...she didn't care about the girls, I don't care about her.

Merrill's avatar

We just need to believe our lying e inyes. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. DJT is a perv in so many ways. Why would doubt stories about underage girls?

cal lash's avatar

Prison is where she has to be. It's where?

The current Administration can't be trusted

Terry's avatar

I don't doubt it at all.

Sandi Borger's avatar

First I want to thank you, Lucian, for being one of the very few who have brought to our attention the most important people in all this: the victims. As Paula B pointed out in her comment above: Has anyone thought to ask them for a client list?? They know every single one of those pedophiles. As always, it’s the rich white men who need to be “protected” at any cost while these children, now grown women, have suffered evil, irreparable harm. And if anyone should fear for their lives it’s them. (I don’t give a shit about Maxwell’s safety, in or out of jail.) I know it will take an enormous amount of courage on their part but I’d love to see these women come together and file a suit against all the men who raped and abused them. I’m positive that the prosecutors of both Epstein and Maxwell have rooms filled with boxes of files that can corroborate the victims’ claims. These women need JUSTICE. All this other shit is just a poorly played distraction.

Carol-Ann Dearnaley's avatar

I was thinking the same thing. The "gap" in the video of Epstein's cell covers over 1 minute. Glenn Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor and legal analyst, way back when, at the time of the "incident, " questioned the suicide ruling because of the position of the neck bones. He agreed with the pathologist hired by Epstein's brother. The man knew waaaaay too much.

the last time the Felon was leaving office and handing out pardons like all day suckers, it was rumored that Ghislaine was on the list. Somehow, that didn't take place. Allegedly, that is being bantered about again, because if there are no files, if there is no list, why is she is still in prison?

One thing I think has become all too evident, don't put her in solitary confinement.

Italien's avatar

Yes. There was, if iirc, a complete gap in the tape, and Epstein was solid gone. I think if enough time has elapsed, they will play us for fools who forget. There’s definitely information out there, I agree. Re the list (that certainly exists), does anyone remember Chomsky’s very curt “it’s nobody’s business” (paraphrase)? I do.

Lawrence Dietz's avatar

Thanks for paddling the Truscott canoe around the equivalent of the Shawshank sewer outflow through which Andy Dufresne waded to freedom. One (millions and millions, actually) would have to be the truest of True Believers to swallow that part of his rant claiming the "Epstein files" were written by..."Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration." Lucian, when you suggest a "double prison guard" on Maxwell, do you mean, who watches the guards watching her? Given the SD (Brownshirt), SS (Blackshirt), Gestapo (white shirts and ties) nature of Federal "law enforcement" (those are not silly air quotes) in the DT47 Reich, the real question about her safety is: who on the outside has all the documents, etc. which DT47 knows will be released if (when) she dies or goes into a forever coma while in federal custody?

Suessl's avatar

Since she refused to cooperate or to take any plea deal, why would she talk now?

Lawrence Dietz's avatar

Exactamundo. My thought is she's *not* talking because the minute she lets out one peep, she's dead, and, these days, if it's another prisoner who kills her, that prisoner will be a goner, too. ("Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours, buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves out past Terlingua...still got the shovel." -- Levon Helm in the movie "Shooter.")

Terry's avatar

I think she's appealing to the supreme criminals for a hearing on a plea deal today! An accident of timing...maybe maybe not

Richard's avatar

I agree with you 100%! She needs to be put in a high security prison cell and should not be released. The 🍊clown knows that she could really spill the beans. He’s been rattled for the past several days. The Epstein list story is never going to go away.

Amy Ferris's avatar

You raise my blood pressure, but… you also raise the bar, you raise questions that make us all fucking think. Donald trump is one evil cruel vindictive fuck & I have no doubt that his fifteen year ‘friendship’ with Epstein is filled with evil & cruel and ugliness. She needs a ton of protection. I also believe that there are folks out there who have the list/s. But thank you for being a loud powerful necessary voice in this weary world

Kathy J's avatar

There is much to think about after reading this. I hope to be forgiven for not wanting to think about it all that much, any longer than I have already! And a confession, I read all your words, and I did something I don't feel even a tiny bit bad about, I did not read every single word of Donny boy's blather, I started and glanced down to see how long it went on, and my soul felt a chill blow through. So, in an act of self-preservation, I scanned it, picking out bits and pieces. I can't give that man's insanity any more of my attention than he already gets because of the daily non-stop avalanche of insanity. I get it, it is nonsensical blathering, blaming, whining, and bullshit, same as it ever was. I have no clear focus on how best to handle the Maxwell situation, if I thought she could be the end of him and others, then I would be all for making sure she remains safe and gets to spill her tea all over the place, including a nice steaming hot cup of it in Donalds face.`

Tom Twain's avatar

Demented Donald is now accusing Biden of causing the Texas floods, and Biden, Hillary, Obama, and Comey of authoring the Epstein file. What a collaboration that must have been. Typically Trump accuses his enemies of doing what he's already done, so Trump must know he's in the files and has to deflect. Of course, he's the one who keeps bringing it all back up and keeping it in the news.

Marcia's avatar

Oh ya. They going to "discover" her dead of "suicide." Pedo Don, you know ...

arne link's avatar

Of course they are. Or she'll get in a shank fight and die or some such crap. Now maybe if she gets t's ear and offers a deal she might avoid death. Believing in him is a shaky deal but what does she have to bargain with but her intimate knowledge of the operation?