There was a video tape released this week of Kelli Ward, the Chair of the Arizona Republican Party, announcing a slate of fake electoral votes for Arizona at a meeting in November of 2020. She said only two sentences comprised of only 27 words, but they will turn out to be the most expensive words she ever uttered in her life:
It doesn’t seem to get mentioned much, but these fake electoral vote certifications were actually submitted to the Archives, presumably by mail or FedEx or UPS, or perhaps they were sent electronically. That makes them mail fraud or wire fraud, which is the Napoleon of white collar crimes, carrying penalties of up to 20 years.
Damn near ALL the crimes committed by t-Rump and associates rise to the level of crimes that can be defined as treason against the USA. But will any of them ever be charged with that crime? Of course not! They will most likely never see the inside of a courtroom, and if they do, they'll lie and lie and lie or plead the 5th, No prosecutors will ever get anything out of any of them. Ever.
Does the nose of the far left "bozo" in the picture look like it's grown beyond normal extension? Not nose-shaming, just reminded me of Pinocchio. Button or long, liars all.
By "far left" I assume you mean on the "far left" side of the photo, and not-- as I first thought when I read it-- a reference to his political views! HA! My bad!
Lol, mine too. I leapt to the theory that the OP was a troll, and it wasn't till I read your comment I realized "*that's* what she meant!" I did once know some far left bozos, but it was many decades ago. People who use the term "far left" these days don't know WTH it means. Like some WaPo headline writer the other day applied it to anyone advocating "defund the police." Sorry, no. Just no.
You're not alone in that assessment, Karen. My first thought was, "How colossally delusional these clowns look!" My second was, "Wait, I thought a deck of cards came with 2 Jokers, not 3!" (However, I'd bet the farm none of these dupes is playing with a full deck - probably not 52 cards total between the 3 of 'em. Big surprise.)
I’m sure the GOPig war chest will open for these crooks—which is fine. I’m pleased whenever the GOPigs get pinched for cash. Supporters who lose money paying for GOPig “consequences” deserve to see it wasted on lawyers.
Hillary was correct (not right) again. There was and is a vast right wing conspiracy in this country. Those people are disgusting traitors but they are very good at conspiring.
Bring on the televised hearings! I vividly remember the Watergate hearings and how they changed public perception, forcing Nixon to resign rather than face the humiliation of impeachment and conviction.
The Watergate hearings took place in a very different America, where people's views could be and were changed by an encounter with reality. Today, just getting t-rump worshipers to watch any such hearings is pretty much impossible. And if they did watch, they wouldn't believe a word of what they were hearing. We now have roughly 70 million people in this country who are stupid, willfully ignorant, selfish. bigoted and cruel-- and totally impervious to reason or basic morality. And as for t-Rump facing "humiliation"-- a person has to have some basic morality in order to feel shame. He has no morals, no ethics and no conscience, so he is totally impervious to shame. All he's capable of feeling in response to these charges is rage, which his worshipers share on his behalf.
Agreed. Most trump voters are irredeemable. But I know plenty of people who voted for him because he is a "successful businessman" and "looked presidential" on The Apprentice. Televised hearings will open some of their eyes. We need every vote we can muster in '22 and '24.
As for humiliation, of course he will never feel it. I just want people to laugh at him for the idiocracy he created and the pathetic excuse for a human being that he is. Just think of the memes - eating classified documents!?
Putting it as crudely as it deserves to be, this is a shitstorm straight from the asshole of hell. The fact that these people went to the trouble of conjuring up official looking certificates with all that expensive looking calligraphy shows the lengths that these people would go to make their fakery look like the genuine article. In addition to federal counts of mail fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to violate the election laws, fraud against the United States, we have a potential charge of counterfeiting an official document. Undoubtedly, there are various technical offenses I may have overlooked, such as submitting a false document to the national archives. These knuckleheads are not going to get off with a mere trespassing charge like the troupe of bad actors who invaded the Capitol on January 6. Lucian is absolutely correct that the bad actors in this drama are going to have to mortgage their homes and liquidate their stock portfolios to pay their lawyers fees. Say goodbye to golf club memberships, vacation homes, yacht clubs and powerboats. These people deserve to be field-stripped of their wealth right down to their skivvies. Depending upon the evidence against them, they may also be found to be complicit in the insurrection that followed these false certifications. These wretches are the kind of people who pride themselves on being 'the good people' who deserve fortune's favor. But that's not why they're in court now. Oh, and nobody should think for a minute that filing for bankruptcy is going to get these people off the hook, because the crimes they are likely to be charged with involve what the law refers to as 'moral turpitude'. No discharge in bankruptcy for them!
There is also the question of whether any of them can work out a plea deal with the prosecutors. Under the right circumstances, some of them might be able to do that if they are willing to testify against anyone not otherwise caught up in this hot mess. But if they are the ones that are at the top of this particular food chain, they may not have a great deal to offer; but it goes without saying, that this is an interconnected conspiracy whose outer boundaries are nowhere in evidence. They may be called upon to testify against people anywhere in the world who had a hand in creating or suborning this criminal conspiracy.
As a personal aside, I doubt that there are any lawyers in Arizona that would be competent to handle these cases. Outside of the nation's capital, there are very few lawyers who have either the chops, or the experience, to handle this kind of litigation. They might as well be on the dark side of the moon for all the good that they can do their clients. Contrast this with the prosecutors who already have a fill-in-the-blanks roadmap about where these cases are ultimately going to end up. They may end up facing trial in the District of Columbia because that is where the National Archives are headquartered. They are going to be pressed to name, and testify against, elected Members of Congress, and their consultants and outside donors, if the evidence supports that line of inquiry. For them, staying out of the federal lockup is going to be a full-time job, with no pay, and no benefits.
I'm sure that these bozos will regret doing this when their beloved leader, DT, gets indicted for criminal tax and loan fraud, because it appears he and his spawn will have to testify before a bunch of lawyers (all of whom are very expensive as well) and when that is done, they'll have buy a new accounting firm because DT's accounting firm, Mazars, has declined to back up ten years worth of their work and they also declined to remain as Trump's accountants as well.
The only people really making a buck are all the lawyers involved in every single area of this bedtime farce but I guess that's the way it ought to be.
Because by the time it's done, DT will need lawyers to get him out of bankruptcy and prison.
I love the justice system because while it's slow, and hard to move quickly, once it gets rolling, you'd best get out of the way because you're gonna be flattened right into the ground.
I think DT should forget about running for office in another 2 years because by then, he'll be too broke to even afford a lawyer.
I am not a troll, I am severely disappointed in the unaggressive manner with which the DOJ is approaching Jan. 6. They are permitting violent foot soldiers to plead guilty to misdemeanors like trespass and picketing. We know Trump, Stone, Rudy, Powell et. al. are not under investigation because they would be screaming bloody murder and raising money off the fact they were being investigated. Imagine if Amy Klobuchar had been appointed AG instead of Garland. We get words from Garland, we would have gotten ACTION from Klobuchar. Further evidence: Garland’s Harvard Law professor, Lawrence Tribe, has been consistently criticizing Garland for his passivity n the face of a coup d’état.
"if and when a Washington D.C. grand jury gets around to handing down indictments for defrauding the government and falsifying official documents"...... IF and when indeed. That's one helluva big "IF!"
Oh, how I want these traitors to be held publicly accountable and to serve prison time for their attack on our Constitution but I am not getting my hopes up too high too fast. The history of how, so called, white collar crime goes unpunished in this nation is one of accountability dodged with expensive lawyers and manipulation of our justice system. Individuals like Ward are just as dangerous as those who broke into the Capitol and helped commit capital murder as part of their scheme to overturn a free and fair election. I am hopeful the Justice Department will not treat those who worked to plan and plot, like Ward, to give credence to the myth of a stolen election any slack at all. Do the crime do the time.
Arizona seems to be Ground Zero for this kind of conspiracy. It is in the water or simply too much time exposed to the desert sun and heat?
The virus has created a deep smoldering anger and the electorate is looking for a scapegoat. Trumps followers have never been a majority, and even staunch republicans might finally get tired of the stench. Everyone including reactionaries want America to be proud and safe, Nixon discovered that in 1974. Mr. Trump must realize that the B.S. is about to hit the fan and that he finally faces stiff fines or incarceration. The republican party will not fall on the sword of their future for Trump. The next few months will be very interesting.
No, reactionaries don’t want America as it is today to be “proud and safe.” The want the present America utterly destroyed and replaced by a Fundamentalist Christian theocracy dominated by woman-hating, racist white males. The country they envision bears no resemblance to the current religiously and racially diverse democracy they hope to destroy.
It’s quite remarkable how far reaching this “grift” is: the growing circles from the stone dropped in the pond. That scum pond really has ginormous reach! I love the accounting of legal fees. So many lawyers needing lawyers…cha ching!
“ The only thing that might be more expensive is having to retain criminal attorneys if and when a Washington D.C. grand jury gets around to handing down indictments for defrauding the government and falsifying official documents, because those kinds of lawyers’ fees, the money they will have to spend to keep themselves out of jail, start at $2000 an hour and go up steeply and quickly from there, especially if you aren’t able to get a plea bargain for ratting out your friends.” Yes, but for a grand jury to bring an indictment does not the DOJ need to bring a criminal case? And where have we seen Meek Merrick show any stomach (or other organ for that matter) for that kind of investigation and legal fight? Right! Nowhere.
I am beginning to think these nasty assumptions about our AG and DOJ were planted by trolls. You have NO proof other then YOU are not in on the investigations. Enough. tRump will be Al Caponed by the New York court - the surest way in our government to nail a slimy eel. The DOJ is flipping and convicting probably over 1000 insurrectionists and planners by now. And the Congressional 1/6 committee is trying the bad guys in a court of public opinion that will sway the big money in the Republican party to dump trump. All carefully coordinated, timed and delivered.
I agree completely. I think Garland and the DOJ are way ahead of where we think they are. I think their effectiveness can be measured at least in part by the fact they do not leak. Everyone should put their slippers on and sit back and wait for the show to start.
It doesn’t seem to get mentioned much, but these fake electoral vote certifications were actually submitted to the Archives, presumably by mail or FedEx or UPS, or perhaps they were sent electronically. That makes them mail fraud or wire fraud, which is the Napoleon of white collar crimes, carrying penalties of up to 20 years.
oh lordy, i hope so
Damn near ALL the crimes committed by t-Rump and associates rise to the level of crimes that can be defined as treason against the USA. But will any of them ever be charged with that crime? Of course not! They will most likely never see the inside of a courtroom, and if they do, they'll lie and lie and lie or plead the 5th, No prosecutors will ever get anything out of any of them. Ever.
Does the nose of the far left "bozo" in the picture look like it's grown beyond normal extension? Not nose-shaming, just reminded me of Pinocchio. Button or long, liars all.
By "far left" I assume you mean on the "far left" side of the photo, and not-- as I first thought when I read it-- a reference to his political views! HA! My bad!
Lol, mine too. I leapt to the theory that the OP was a troll, and it wasn't till I read your comment I realized "*that's* what she meant!" I did once know some far left bozos, but it was many decades ago. People who use the term "far left" these days don't know WTH it means. Like some WaPo headline writer the other day applied it to anyone advocating "defund the police." Sorry, no. Just no.
haha
hadta scroll back to check that pic and you're observation is appropriate.
i'll believe yours before a pro photographer's claim of wide-angle lens distortion
You're not alone in that assessment, Karen. My first thought was, "How colossally delusional these clowns look!" My second was, "Wait, I thought a deck of cards came with 2 Jokers, not 3!" (However, I'd bet the farm none of these dupes is playing with a full deck - probably not 52 cards total between the 3 of 'em. Big surprise.)
Evidently the fellow's been telling lies.
I’m sure the GOPig war chest will open for these crooks—which is fine. I’m pleased whenever the GOPigs get pinched for cash. Supporters who lose money paying for GOPig “consequences” deserve to see it wasted on lawyers.
GOPig-- excellent! I'll have to remember that one, and use it-- if that's OK with you.
I doubt any of those lawyers are going to be pro bono types.
Hillary was correct (not right) again. There was and is a vast right wing conspiracy in this country. Those people are disgusting traitors but they are very good at conspiring.
Bring on the televised hearings! I vividly remember the Watergate hearings and how they changed public perception, forcing Nixon to resign rather than face the humiliation of impeachment and conviction.
The Watergate hearings took place in a very different America, where people's views could be and were changed by an encounter with reality. Today, just getting t-rump worshipers to watch any such hearings is pretty much impossible. And if they did watch, they wouldn't believe a word of what they were hearing. We now have roughly 70 million people in this country who are stupid, willfully ignorant, selfish. bigoted and cruel-- and totally impervious to reason or basic morality. And as for t-Rump facing "humiliation"-- a person has to have some basic morality in order to feel shame. He has no morals, no ethics and no conscience, so he is totally impervious to shame. All he's capable of feeling in response to these charges is rage, which his worshipers share on his behalf.
Agreed. Most trump voters are irredeemable. But I know plenty of people who voted for him because he is a "successful businessman" and "looked presidential" on The Apprentice. Televised hearings will open some of their eyes. We need every vote we can muster in '22 and '24.
As for humiliation, of course he will never feel it. I just want people to laugh at him for the idiocracy he created and the pathetic excuse for a human being that he is. Just think of the memes - eating classified documents!?
Yes!
Putting it as crudely as it deserves to be, this is a shitstorm straight from the asshole of hell. The fact that these people went to the trouble of conjuring up official looking certificates with all that expensive looking calligraphy shows the lengths that these people would go to make their fakery look like the genuine article. In addition to federal counts of mail fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to violate the election laws, fraud against the United States, we have a potential charge of counterfeiting an official document. Undoubtedly, there are various technical offenses I may have overlooked, such as submitting a false document to the national archives. These knuckleheads are not going to get off with a mere trespassing charge like the troupe of bad actors who invaded the Capitol on January 6. Lucian is absolutely correct that the bad actors in this drama are going to have to mortgage their homes and liquidate their stock portfolios to pay their lawyers fees. Say goodbye to golf club memberships, vacation homes, yacht clubs and powerboats. These people deserve to be field-stripped of their wealth right down to their skivvies. Depending upon the evidence against them, they may also be found to be complicit in the insurrection that followed these false certifications. These wretches are the kind of people who pride themselves on being 'the good people' who deserve fortune's favor. But that's not why they're in court now. Oh, and nobody should think for a minute that filing for bankruptcy is going to get these people off the hook, because the crimes they are likely to be charged with involve what the law refers to as 'moral turpitude'. No discharge in bankruptcy for them!
There is also the question of whether any of them can work out a plea deal with the prosecutors. Under the right circumstances, some of them might be able to do that if they are willing to testify against anyone not otherwise caught up in this hot mess. But if they are the ones that are at the top of this particular food chain, they may not have a great deal to offer; but it goes without saying, that this is an interconnected conspiracy whose outer boundaries are nowhere in evidence. They may be called upon to testify against people anywhere in the world who had a hand in creating or suborning this criminal conspiracy.
As a personal aside, I doubt that there are any lawyers in Arizona that would be competent to handle these cases. Outside of the nation's capital, there are very few lawyers who have either the chops, or the experience, to handle this kind of litigation. They might as well be on the dark side of the moon for all the good that they can do their clients. Contrast this with the prosecutors who already have a fill-in-the-blanks roadmap about where these cases are ultimately going to end up. They may end up facing trial in the District of Columbia because that is where the National Archives are headquartered. They are going to be pressed to name, and testify against, elected Members of Congress, and their consultants and outside donors, if the evidence supports that line of inquiry. For them, staying out of the federal lockup is going to be a full-time job, with no pay, and no benefits.
"Shitstorm Straight from the Asshole of Hell"--I am so stealing this! (if that's ok with you, Arthur)
Go for it!
I bet the people paying these retainers are the people we have seen over the past few years.
Fat, toothless, Confederate Flag waving Trump supporters who sent small donations to the Republican Party.
If Former uses donations to pay bills, why not the scum cited in this piece?
I'm sure that these bozos will regret doing this when their beloved leader, DT, gets indicted for criminal tax and loan fraud, because it appears he and his spawn will have to testify before a bunch of lawyers (all of whom are very expensive as well) and when that is done, they'll have buy a new accounting firm because DT's accounting firm, Mazars, has declined to back up ten years worth of their work and they also declined to remain as Trump's accountants as well.
The only people really making a buck are all the lawyers involved in every single area of this bedtime farce but I guess that's the way it ought to be.
Because by the time it's done, DT will need lawyers to get him out of bankruptcy and prison.
I love the justice system because while it's slow, and hard to move quickly, once it gets rolling, you'd best get out of the way because you're gonna be flattened right into the ground.
I think DT should forget about running for office in another 2 years because by then, he'll be too broke to even afford a lawyer.
I am not a troll, I am severely disappointed in the unaggressive manner with which the DOJ is approaching Jan. 6. They are permitting violent foot soldiers to plead guilty to misdemeanors like trespass and picketing. We know Trump, Stone, Rudy, Powell et. al. are not under investigation because they would be screaming bloody murder and raising money off the fact they were being investigated. Imagine if Amy Klobuchar had been appointed AG instead of Garland. We get words from Garland, we would have gotten ACTION from Klobuchar. Further evidence: Garland’s Harvard Law professor, Lawrence Tribe, has been consistently criticizing Garland for his passivity n the face of a coup d’état.
Just don’t hire Sidney Powell. She doesn’t have a very good track record.
"if and when a Washington D.C. grand jury gets around to handing down indictments for defrauding the government and falsifying official documents"...... IF and when indeed. That's one helluva big "IF!"
Oh, how I want these traitors to be held publicly accountable and to serve prison time for their attack on our Constitution but I am not getting my hopes up too high too fast. The history of how, so called, white collar crime goes unpunished in this nation is one of accountability dodged with expensive lawyers and manipulation of our justice system. Individuals like Ward are just as dangerous as those who broke into the Capitol and helped commit capital murder as part of their scheme to overturn a free and fair election. I am hopeful the Justice Department will not treat those who worked to plan and plot, like Ward, to give credence to the myth of a stolen election any slack at all. Do the crime do the time.
Arizona seems to be Ground Zero for this kind of conspiracy. It is in the water or simply too much time exposed to the desert sun and heat?
“Good luck. Not.”
The virus has created a deep smoldering anger and the electorate is looking for a scapegoat. Trumps followers have never been a majority, and even staunch republicans might finally get tired of the stench. Everyone including reactionaries want America to be proud and safe, Nixon discovered that in 1974. Mr. Trump must realize that the B.S. is about to hit the fan and that he finally faces stiff fines or incarceration. The republican party will not fall on the sword of their future for Trump. The next few months will be very interesting.
No, reactionaries don’t want America as it is today to be “proud and safe.” The want the present America utterly destroyed and replaced by a Fundamentalist Christian theocracy dominated by woman-hating, racist white males. The country they envision bears no resemblance to the current religiously and racially diverse democracy they hope to destroy.
It’s quite remarkable how far reaching this “grift” is: the growing circles from the stone dropped in the pond. That scum pond really has ginormous reach! I love the accounting of legal fees. So many lawyers needing lawyers…cha ching!
These are the type of people who will eat each day other alive to save their own skin. No honor among thieves.
“ The only thing that might be more expensive is having to retain criminal attorneys if and when a Washington D.C. grand jury gets around to handing down indictments for defrauding the government and falsifying official documents, because those kinds of lawyers’ fees, the money they will have to spend to keep themselves out of jail, start at $2000 an hour and go up steeply and quickly from there, especially if you aren’t able to get a plea bargain for ratting out your friends.” Yes, but for a grand jury to bring an indictment does not the DOJ need to bring a criminal case? And where have we seen Meek Merrick show any stomach (or other organ for that matter) for that kind of investigation and legal fight? Right! Nowhere.
I am beginning to think these nasty assumptions about our AG and DOJ were planted by trolls. You have NO proof other then YOU are not in on the investigations. Enough. tRump will be Al Caponed by the New York court - the surest way in our government to nail a slimy eel. The DOJ is flipping and convicting probably over 1000 insurrectionists and planners by now. And the Congressional 1/6 committee is trying the bad guys in a court of public opinion that will sway the big money in the Republican party to dump trump. All carefully coordinated, timed and delivered.
I agree completely. I think Garland and the DOJ are way ahead of where we think they are. I think their effectiveness can be measured at least in part by the fact they do not leak. Everyone should put their slippers on and sit back and wait for the show to start.
See my reply above. Also, ask Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe —one of Garland’s teachers, if he is a troll.
I taught hundreds of students at the University of Michigan over 20 years, and would never presume to know the inner workings of their current jobs.