I STILL do not understand why a so-called common criminal can be convicted and sent right off to prison, but people like Navarro stroll out of the courthouse, essentially free to go about their nefarious business. Same with Bannon, and of course, t-Rump. WHY do they get months and months of what amounts to impunity? As another individual posted here, can this delay go on indefinitely-- for months and years of appeals -- with these criminals meanwhile walking (and talking) freely as ever?
Yes. Navarro says his legal fees after appeals will be in the seven digits. A "so-called common criminal" couldn't hegin to pay for the delays and appeals these creeps enjoy.
You just want to punch Navarro and Bannon, they feel that they can do whatever they want whenever they want.
Never forget, Bannon declared that their goal was the deconstruction of the administrative state. Why they and Trump have continually attacked our institutions non stop. Jail is too good for this gaggle of criminals and pompous traitors!
yes, but he wasn't obliged to follow a constitution that wasn't written yet.
what outrages me is the way these scumbags talk endlessly about the "two-tiered justice system," when it's precisely the "two-tiered system" that keeps them out of jail for god knows how long.
Inmate P01135809 could put all the little people paying his bills in the poorhouse maintaining his life/legal style. Boo-hoo. He's throwing a fundraiser for nearly-broke Rudy at Bedminster—advertised as a "candlelight dinner." Did the host and mendicant agree to that after taking a good look at their mirrors?
Appeals are a thing. Also it helps if you're a white guy and no one thinks you're gonna rob a bank when you're out on bail. This isn't all that unusual for white-collar criminals.
They all thought they were invincible and that the Trump immunity, or the Trump ability to skate, would rub off on them. Shit, most of them still do. And the longer obvious seditionists like Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Biggs, Brooks, Perry, Boebert, Traitor-Greene, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz, Graham, Loeffler, Perdue, Grassley and who knows who else are brought to justice, they will continue to think it. And they all think that when Trump is back in power, he will pardon them.
although it's sort of a slander on yams, which are wonderful to eat, as well as being an important herb in Traditional Chinese Medicine. TFF ain't even close. he's even toxic. I'm not going to even THINK about the whole eating angle.
ew...I just "grossed myself out," as the kids like to say.
It is infuriating. How many appeals are they allowed? An infinite number of appeals? How many months and years until they are actually incarcerated? Will America ever see justice done?
I don't know about them, but there is a rich white guy here in Syracuse who has been convicted twice of murdering his wife, and the Court of Appeals is hearing yet another appeal for a new trial. I think Bannon and Navarro will appeal all the way to SCOTUS if they lose at the DC Circuit. As long as they have money to pay lawyers, why stop? Just wait till Agent Orange is convicted, he will appeal all the way to SCOTUS as well. The key question - are there for hacks at SCOTUS who are willing to burn the last of the Court's integrity to the ground to even grant cert to any of them?
I'm 98% convinced there are the 4 hack need to grant Cert to hearing the appeals. Less certain that there are 5 to deny the Appeal of any conviction. Of course, if he's convicted in Georgia, of State Crimes, his road to SCOTUS is a lot bumpier.
It is infuriating and yet comforting at the same time. It is how our legal system works and thank goodness for it. It's true that it doesn't work as fairly for some as for others, but the solution is to make it more fair for the disadvantaged, not to make it less fair for the people we dislike. Their heinous politics not withstanding.
There's a great quote from the film A Man For All Seasons - something to the effect that he, Thomas Moore, would give the devil the benefit of the law for his own safety's sake.
Upvoted enthusiastically for the content, the link to a brilliant film here has the correct spelling as well!
A Man for All Seasons is a 1966 British historical drama film directed and produced by Fred Zinnemann, adapted by Robert Bolt from his play of the same name. It depicts the final years of Sir Thomas More, the 16th-century Lord Chancellor of England who refused both to sign a letter asking Pope Clement VII to annul Henry VIII of England's marriage to Catherine of Aragon and to take an Oath of Supremacy declaring Henry Supreme Head of the Church of England.
Paul Scofield, who had played More in the West End stage premiere, also took the role in the film, starring alongside Wendy Hiller, Robert Shaw, Susannah York, and Orson Welles. Also appearing are Nigel Davenport, Leo McKern, Corin Redgrave, Vanessa Redgrave and, in one of his earliest screen roles, John Hurt. The film was released by Columbia Pictures on 12 December 1966.
A Man for All Seasons was a critical and box-office success. It won the Academy Award for Best Picture at the 39th Academy Awards, while the cast and crew won another five, including Best Director for Zinnemann and Best Actor for Scofield. It also won the Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture - Drama and the BAFTA Awards for Best Film and Best British Film. In 1999, the British Film Institute named it the 43rd greatest British film of all time.
***** Jeez LOOEEZ look at that cast! My "films on DVD to buy soon" budget just took a hit, 0 woe is me....
The title reflects playwright Bolt's portrayal of More as the ultimate man of conscience, remaining true to his principles and religion under all circumstances and at all times. Bolt borrowed the title from Robert Whittington, a contemporary of More, who in 1520 wrote of him:
More is a man of an angel's wit and singular learning. I know not his fellow. For where is the man of that gentleness, lowliness and affability? And, as time requireth, a man of marvellous mirth and pastimes, and sometime of as sad gravity. A man for all seasons.[3][4]
If you have money, you can appeal nearly indefinitely-- that is, ad nauseum to those of us who don't have bottomless financial reservoirs or adoring fans to grift from. They probably do get shut down eventually, but still....
Maybe rich people who endlessly use the system should, beyond a point, financially donate to a fund for people of lesser means to help level that playing field.
At least 39 law schools require students to engage in pro bono or public service as a condition of graduation. These schools may require a specific number of hours of pro bono legal service as a condition of graduation (e.g. 20-75 hours) or they may require a combination of pro bono legal service, clinical work and community-based volunteer work. Law schools with voluntary rather than mandatory pro bono service policies encourage students to assist lawyers and legal aid organizations by offering incentives, such as awards at graduation or special notations on law school transcripts, or by making pro bono an important part of a school's culture.
As a retired public defender, I am a bit stunned by the utter stupidity of Mr Navarro. What color is the sky in your world, Mr Navarro? Ignoring a congressional subpoena? Mr Navarro seems to believe he is immune to the law or that it does not apply to him? He was immune because he was too white or he was too high a government official? Mr Navarro, where were you when Watergate was going on?
I have no legal experience whatsoever, but I too am stunned by his stupidity and that of several of his cohorts. It seems all the stuff I've been spouting about white male arrogance for at least 50 years now is true. ;-) (With Rudy G. clearly alcohol has played a role, and he probably isn't the only one.)
But if Navarro was as involved as HE claims to be why hasn't he been criminally charged yet? Or am I missing something? There's so many of these crooks it's hard to keep up ...
Navarro could be a stand-in for all the Trump apparatchiks ... very sure of themselves, off base, crooked, and most likely nuts. Being a Harvard snob, I was dismayed to see Navarro has a Harvard Ph.D. (I think in Economics.) Trump's time in office has, for obvious reasons, has shone a light on Harvard's embarrassments. DeSantis (and Cruz!) went to what Cantabrigians call "the law school." DeSantis's surgeon general, Ladapo (picked and pushed through because he was an anti-vaxxer) went to "the medical school." "The Cheese," as Larry Tribe says Chesebro was called at "the law school," hated his name pronounced as "Cheesebro." He preferred "Chezbro," but many TV talkers take the easy route.
It has to be a first that so many lawyers are involved in a scam of such major proportions -- and of course they would gravitate to Trump; they all deserve each other. I am only sorry the country was made to watch this odious and destructive crap.
The company that made Vaseline and Ponds cosmetic creams, Chesebrough-Ponds Manufacturing Company, advertised on the radio a lot when I was a kid. The commercials pronounced it cheese and so the name will always be to me.
Speaking of university "snobs," my friend Arthur, who spent a year at Penn just about the time Trump was at Wharton, told me the Arts & Letters Penn students always snarkily referred to Wharton as "Penn for dummies."
I don't fathom how you can be convicted of a crime and then STILL get out on bail just because you file an appeal? Bannon is just running out the clock until the next election, isn't he? How do these crooks get away with this? Why are any of these men still free?
No kidding! They lost time at work, probably, and probably had to pay to park, make a long commute, have their personal schedule upended -- and for what at the end of the day? These decisions aren't even slaps on a wrist, seem more like air-kisses on the cheek to me.
Were the jurors even home before he was released? I hate the thought of anyone serving time in in an American prison, but these offenses affect everyone living in the US.
Welcome to the multi-tiered justice system. I'm surprised that so many smart people are surprised. White white-collar convicts out on bail aren't all that unusual. (Thanks to difny for pointing out the goof.)
During the Pleistocene Epoch of American jurisprudence, that is to say, the previous century, even before personal computers, when jury duty in L.A. was a full15 days, I served on two juries in criminal cases. Jury one acquitted the passenger in a car arrested for possession when cops found a baggie of weed under his seat (wasn't mine, he said, didn't know it was there; reasonable doubt). Jury two, we convicted the guy of armed robbery of a bar after he was arrested for firing off the handgun taken from the bar during the robbery, then ID'd. In both cases, "my" juries, far more diverse than "Twelve Angry Men," were very, very serious about considering the evidence and coming to a unanimous conclusion. A long way of saying, the legal system can and does work. To Mr. Navarro, Mr. Bannon, and those already mewling about the unfairness of it all---no matter what your sex, MAN UP. This message in all caps for Defendant Trump, who apparently has to spell important things out that way.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts Superior Court jury duty was once 30 days, the same as it was for Grand Jury duty. And employers had to pay reg wages and salaries for the entire month. On top of that was a per diem for food and parking from the Court. If not chosen by 1:30 PM (after lunch). Jurors were sent home for the day. And it was a rarity for a new jury to be selected on a Friday.
Guaranteed a diverse jury pool and an experienced one handling small crimes to high crimes and civil suits. Only physicians/dentists. LEOs and schoolteachers were exempt as were active mil.
I don't know what employers in L.A. were required to do back then, since I was a freelance writer, which is a polite way of saying self- a/k/a/ under-/non- employed. Five bucks a day was it: experienced juror poolers brown-bagged. There *was* free parking for jurors. My imperfect memory is that I was voir dired for the second Manson trial on a Friday. It was a direct line from witness chair to the defendant. Talk about eyes burning into yours from across the room! The judge asked me if there was a compelling reason I couldn't serve. I replied that I was a freelance magazine writer and couldn't afford to live through a long trial on five bucks a day. The judge replied, with a smile, that I could get a fat book contract. (Not making any of this up.) When I ever-so-piously said I couldn't do *that* because it could affect my deliberations, my "eye-mate" Charlie broke into a big grin.
MSNBC legal eagle Joyce Vance, former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, has repeated so often on-air her faith in (even Georgia) jurors to rise above their prejudices and base their votes on evidence she has brought me around … pretty much.
There's a photo of the cracker jury in the case of J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant, on trial in 1955 for murdering Emmett Till. They're sitting back before the case ended and the sheriff told them, as they filed into the jury room, to drink a Coca-Cola, take some time, before they came back to deliver their "not guilty" verdict. Things much better now. I think Meadows would go down even before a federal jury.
Meadows is turning out to be what we used to call "hapless." And thinking of words, all of MSNBC seems to be misusing the word "fulsome." They think they're saying "complete," but that word means "unctuous," "overdone."
TV writers and commentators misusing a word! I'm shocked, just as shocked as I would be if I found out there was gambling at Rick's. (Insert winking emoji here.) If you're "thinking of words," imagine that Simone de Beauvoir tells Jean-Paul Sartre every day, over celestial espresso in some modest café or other, "Schmuck! Why didn't you copyright 'existential' when I told you to? Can you imagine how much better a neighborhood we could afford up here?" (Another emoji.)
Thank you, thank you, thank you. The justice system isn’t always fair but it has worked for me as a former public defender in rural Minnesota. Let Mr Trump and his minions take their chances in front of 12 serious minded citizens who in my experience almost always took their duty very seriously.
It looks to me that Peter Navarro set himself up for a two year sentence for defying a congressional subpoena with an encore performance as a defendant in a coup conspiracy. All this football talk notwithstanding. He was part of Team Trump, and he knew that a coup was in the works, even if he was coy about what to call it. If he insists on hanging tough, he's looking at maybe another eight years as a guest of Club Fed unless he wises up and cuts a deal with Jack Smith. A PhD in economics presumes an ability to add numbers. The next time he walks into a courtroom, he needs to have a plea agreement in exchange for his testimony against anyone else who may have been a party to this scheme. Maybe a few months of wearing a prison jump suit and carpet slippers will help him focus his attention on avoiding the runaway freight train coming in his direction.
Having a prior conviction adds months to his extended stay on the conspiracy count. A failure to accept responsibility for his criminal conduct is going to put him on ice for a long time. He fits right in with the unindicted co-conspirators Jeffrey Clark, Kenneth Chesebro, John Eastman, Sidney Powell, Rudi Giuliani, and whoever else got caught up in Jack Smith's dragnet.
Blabbing to reporters in a recorded conversation is going to punch Navarro's dance card for certain. He has a chance to become a cooperating witness and cut his losses. Will he do so? We'll see soon enough, but so far, he's still in thrall to the Orange Jesus. Stay tuned for further developments.
This conviction gives me hope that the rule of law will prevail for all the J6 defendants. Yes, being white and rich clearly allows for endless appeals but I don’t care how long it takes to convict and sentence them because ultimately that strategy will bankrupt them and unfortunately do irreparably harm their families. I predict that eventually they all get convicted and at long delayed sentencing to prison they will wish they had copped pleas at the start and had this over with long ago.
We've all been brought up on Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and led to believe that the good guys always win. That ideal has been exploded by guys like Mr. P01135890, aka the defendant in chief and his minions....not a decent one among them!
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After receiving a twenty-two-year sentence, a former Proud Boy acknowledged that he will be in prison until he is an Elderly Boy.
“Yes, I will eventually be an Elderly Boy,” Enrique Tarrio told reporters. “However, let’s be clear: while we Proud Boys are considering changing the name of our group, ‘Elderly Boys’ is not one of the options in the mix.”
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Tarrio said that, because of the behavior of other former Proud Boys at their trials, “Despondent Boys,” “Weepy Boys,” and “Belatedly Remorseful Boys” were all names that the organization was considering.
“We’ve been holding focus groups, but so far there’s been no consensus,” he said. “We may have to bring McKinsey in on this.
The List of Loons who served in the Trump Adm is reason enough Trump is never ever in the Oval again. (yes, includes his daughter and son-in-law). Said another way, they all belong on Gilligan's Island.
OK, what do you think Navarro's prison job will be? (I think a librarian, if he's lucky. But, if he's obnoxious with the wrong folks, he could end up cleaning sidewalks or toilets.)
I don't even want to speculate on the prison nickname.
Toilets would get my vote, for all of them, and video tape it so that we can watch whenever we feel like it. I would get a perverse pleasure watching the insipid imbecile cleaning toilets 8 hours a day. Navarro's job can be to clean the brush for him, by hand. 🤷🏻💥
I sure wish they would get Roger Stone in the mix. He is one I would really like to see out of his pinstripe suits and Hamburg and into stripes going the other way and breaking rocks for 20 years.
Almost as infuriating -- these repeated attempts to jury-shop, judge-shop, whatever you want to call it -- appeals to get trials moved hither and yon, looking for an escape route, looking for enough potential Trumpista jurors to hang the jury. (ha, nice ironic phrase there)
I STILL do not understand why a so-called common criminal can be convicted and sent right off to prison, but people like Navarro stroll out of the courthouse, essentially free to go about their nefarious business. Same with Bannon, and of course, t-Rump. WHY do they get months and months of what amounts to impunity? As another individual posted here, can this delay go on indefinitely-- for months and years of appeals -- with these criminals meanwhile walking (and talking) freely as ever?
Money, its always "follow the money." As long as you can afford bail and lawyers, appeals can go on and on.
Yes. Navarro says his legal fees after appeals will be in the seven digits. A "so-called common criminal" couldn't hegin to pay for the delays and appeals these creeps enjoy.
You just want to punch Navarro and Bannon, they feel that they can do whatever they want whenever they want.
Never forget, Bannon declared that their goal was the deconstruction of the administrative state. Why they and Trump have continually attacked our institutions non stop. Jail is too good for this gaggle of criminals and pompous traitors!
George Washington had traitors promptly hanged.
yes, but he wasn't obliged to follow a constitution that wasn't written yet.
what outrages me is the way these scumbags talk endlessly about the "two-tiered justice system," when it's precisely the "two-tiered system" that keeps them out of jail for god knows how long.
The hypocrisy of these scumbags pisses me off, but their day is coming. They will pay.
Remember... spread the word loudly...VOTE. With the republicans out of office, we can right this ship.
Wasn't that in wartime? The rules are somewhat different then.
Inmate P01135809 could put all the little people paying his bills in the poorhouse maintaining his life/legal style. Boo-hoo. He's throwing a fundraiser for nearly-broke Rudy at Bedminster—advertised as a "candlelight dinner." Did the host and mendicant agree to that after taking a good look at their mirrors?
now THAT was genuinely funny, dif.
Appeals are a thing. Also it helps if you're a white guy and no one thinks you're gonna rob a bank when you're out on bail. This isn't all that unusual for white-collar criminals.
Just so, my feelings exactly. What th--?
They all thought they were invincible and that the Trump immunity, or the Trump ability to skate, would rub off on them. Shit, most of them still do. And the longer obvious seditionists like Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Biggs, Brooks, Perry, Boebert, Traitor-Greene, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz, Graham, Loeffler, Perdue, Grassley and who knows who else are brought to justice, they will continue to think it. And they all think that when Trump is back in power, he will pardon them.
If the Barking Yam is returned to the white house he will sell them a pardon, based on their income level.
Love “Barking Yam” as one of his descriptors. More or less the shape as well as the color of the vegetable. Barking as in barking mad?
Barking Yam, good one
yes it is.
although it's sort of a slander on yams, which are wonderful to eat, as well as being an important herb in Traditional Chinese Medicine. TFF ain't even close. he's even toxic. I'm not going to even THINK about the whole eating angle.
ew...I just "grossed myself out," as the kids like to say.
Gotta love that Vitamine D.
It is infuriating. How many appeals are they allowed? An infinite number of appeals? How many months and years until they are actually incarcerated? Will America ever see justice done?
I don't know about them, but there is a rich white guy here in Syracuse who has been convicted twice of murdering his wife, and the Court of Appeals is hearing yet another appeal for a new trial. I think Bannon and Navarro will appeal all the way to SCOTUS if they lose at the DC Circuit. As long as they have money to pay lawyers, why stop? Just wait till Agent Orange is convicted, he will appeal all the way to SCOTUS as well. The key question - are there for hacks at SCOTUS who are willing to burn the last of the Court's integrity to the ground to even grant cert to any of them?
I'm 98% convinced there are the 4 hack need to grant Cert to hearing the appeals. Less certain that there are 5 to deny the Appeal of any conviction. Of course, if he's convicted in Georgia, of State Crimes, his road to SCOTUS is a lot bumpier.
If he's convicted in Georgia, his road to SCOTUS is non-existent, but the flight to Moscow or the UAE is clear.
It is infuriating and yet comforting at the same time. It is how our legal system works and thank goodness for it. It's true that it doesn't work as fairly for some as for others, but the solution is to make it more fair for the disadvantaged, not to make it less fair for the people we dislike. Their heinous politics not withstanding.
There's a great quote from the film A Man For All Seasons - something to the effect that he, Thomas Moore, would give the devil the benefit of the law for his own safety's sake.
Upvoted enthusiastically for the content, the link to a brilliant film here has the correct spelling as well!
A Man for All Seasons is a 1966 British historical drama film directed and produced by Fred Zinnemann, adapted by Robert Bolt from his play of the same name. It depicts the final years of Sir Thomas More, the 16th-century Lord Chancellor of England who refused both to sign a letter asking Pope Clement VII to annul Henry VIII of England's marriage to Catherine of Aragon and to take an Oath of Supremacy declaring Henry Supreme Head of the Church of England.
Paul Scofield, who had played More in the West End stage premiere, also took the role in the film, starring alongside Wendy Hiller, Robert Shaw, Susannah York, and Orson Welles. Also appearing are Nigel Davenport, Leo McKern, Corin Redgrave, Vanessa Redgrave and, in one of his earliest screen roles, John Hurt. The film was released by Columbia Pictures on 12 December 1966.
A Man for All Seasons was a critical and box-office success. It won the Academy Award for Best Picture at the 39th Academy Awards, while the cast and crew won another five, including Best Director for Zinnemann and Best Actor for Scofield. It also won the Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture - Drama and the BAFTA Awards for Best Film and Best British Film. In 1999, the British Film Institute named it the 43rd greatest British film of all time.
***** Jeez LOOEEZ look at that cast! My "films on DVD to buy soon" budget just took a hit, 0 woe is me....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_for_All_Seasons_(1966_film)
Title
The title reflects playwright Bolt's portrayal of More as the ultimate man of conscience, remaining true to his principles and religion under all circumstances and at all times. Bolt borrowed the title from Robert Whittington, a contemporary of More, who in 1520 wrote of him:
More is a man of an angel's wit and singular learning. I know not his fellow. For where is the man of that gentleness, lowliness and affability? And, as time requireth, a man of marvellous mirth and pastimes, and sometime of as sad gravity. A man for all seasons.[3][4]
If you have money, you can appeal nearly indefinitely-- that is, ad nauseum to those of us who don't have bottomless financial reservoirs or adoring fans to grift from. They probably do get shut down eventually, but still....
Maybe rich people who endlessly use the system should, beyond a point, financially donate to a fund for people of lesser means to help level that playing field.
Pro bono publico work is a requirement for attorneys if they want to retain the respect of both their peers and the wider public they serve for free.
www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_education/resources/pro_bono/
***** Excerpt
At least 39 law schools require students to engage in pro bono or public service as a condition of graduation. These schools may require a specific number of hours of pro bono legal service as a condition of graduation (e.g. 20-75 hours) or they may require a combination of pro bono legal service, clinical work and community-based volunteer work. Law schools with voluntary rather than mandatory pro bono service policies encourage students to assist lawyers and legal aid organizations by offering incentives, such as awards at graduation or special notations on law school transcripts, or by making pro bono an important part of a school's culture.
As a retired public defender, I am a bit stunned by the utter stupidity of Mr Navarro. What color is the sky in your world, Mr Navarro? Ignoring a congressional subpoena? Mr Navarro seems to believe he is immune to the law or that it does not apply to him? He was immune because he was too white or he was too high a government official? Mr Navarro, where were you when Watergate was going on?
I have no legal experience whatsoever, but I too am stunned by his stupidity and that of several of his cohorts. It seems all the stuff I've been spouting about white male arrogance for at least 50 years now is true. ;-) (With Rudy G. clearly alcohol has played a role, and he probably isn't the only one.)
They have no clothes - it's all been a House of Cards. They are all stupid idiots who knew how to get elected!
He was a measly 'trade representative'! Who does he think he is - Alexander Haig?
Great news!
But if Navarro was as involved as HE claims to be why hasn't he been criminally charged yet? Or am I missing something? There's so many of these crooks it's hard to keep up ...
Navarro could be a stand-in for all the Trump apparatchiks ... very sure of themselves, off base, crooked, and most likely nuts. Being a Harvard snob, I was dismayed to see Navarro has a Harvard Ph.D. (I think in Economics.) Trump's time in office has, for obvious reasons, has shone a light on Harvard's embarrassments. DeSantis (and Cruz!) went to what Cantabrigians call "the law school." DeSantis's surgeon general, Ladapo (picked and pushed through because he was an anti-vaxxer) went to "the medical school." "The Cheese," as Larry Tribe says Chesebro was called at "the law school," hated his name pronounced as "Cheesebro." He preferred "Chezbro," but many TV talkers take the easy route.
It has to be a first that so many lawyers are involved in a scam of such major proportions -- and of course they would gravitate to Trump; they all deserve each other. I am only sorry the country was made to watch this odious and destructive crap.
The company that made Vaseline and Ponds cosmetic creams, Chesebrough-Ponds Manufacturing Company, advertised on the radio a lot when I was a kid. The commercials pronounced it cheese and so the name will always be to me.
I remember the company, but never made the connection you did.
Me either!
My only previous encounter with the name, so chezz instantly sounded wrong.
I thought the same!
Madison Avenue did it to us!
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one. It's no wonder I was brainwashed—I listened constantly and still do.
Speaking of university "snobs," my friend Arthur, who spent a year at Penn just about the time Trump was at Wharton, told me the Arts & Letters Penn students always snarkily referred to Wharton as "Penn for dummies."
Well, you know those Arts and Letters people ...
Nattering nabobs of negativism, ev'ry durn one of them
So that Vince Lombardi guy was a football coach for Army for a while if you are looking beyond the NJ ties.
Ari telling this "professor" that the Green Bay sweep he had just finished explaining was the very defiinition of a Coup was priceless.
I don't fathom how you can be convicted of a crime and then STILL get out on bail just because you file an appeal? Bannon is just running out the clock until the next election, isn't he? How do these crooks get away with this? Why are any of these men still free?
$$$$. Apparently, owning a plane makes a defendant-for-life a non-flight risk.
Imagine how the jurors feel who spent their time sitting at their trial.
No kidding! They lost time at work, probably, and probably had to pay to park, make a long commute, have their personal schedule upended -- and for what at the end of the day? These decisions aren't even slaps on a wrist, seem more like air-kisses on the cheek to me.
Were the jurors even home before he was released? I hate the thought of anyone serving time in in an American prison, but these offenses affect everyone living in the US.
Welcome to the multi-tiered justice system. I'm surprised that so many smart people are surprised. White white-collar convicts out on bail aren't all that unusual. (Thanks to difny for pointing out the goof.)
Unusual. (Sorry, Susanna. You know how it is.)
Lol. Thank the muses for the Edit function.
I did not know this was so widespread. Boo.
During the Pleistocene Epoch of American jurisprudence, that is to say, the previous century, even before personal computers, when jury duty in L.A. was a full15 days, I served on two juries in criminal cases. Jury one acquitted the passenger in a car arrested for possession when cops found a baggie of weed under his seat (wasn't mine, he said, didn't know it was there; reasonable doubt). Jury two, we convicted the guy of armed robbery of a bar after he was arrested for firing off the handgun taken from the bar during the robbery, then ID'd. In both cases, "my" juries, far more diverse than "Twelve Angry Men," were very, very serious about considering the evidence and coming to a unanimous conclusion. A long way of saying, the legal system can and does work. To Mr. Navarro, Mr. Bannon, and those already mewling about the unfairness of it all---no matter what your sex, MAN UP. This message in all caps for Defendant Trump, who apparently has to spell important things out that way.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts Superior Court jury duty was once 30 days, the same as it was for Grand Jury duty. And employers had to pay reg wages and salaries for the entire month. On top of that was a per diem for food and parking from the Court. If not chosen by 1:30 PM (after lunch). Jurors were sent home for the day. And it was a rarity for a new jury to be selected on a Friday.
Guaranteed a diverse jury pool and an experienced one handling small crimes to high crimes and civil suits. Only physicians/dentists. LEOs and schoolteachers were exempt as were active mil.
I don't know what employers in L.A. were required to do back then, since I was a freelance writer, which is a polite way of saying self- a/k/a/ under-/non- employed. Five bucks a day was it: experienced juror poolers brown-bagged. There *was* free parking for jurors. My imperfect memory is that I was voir dired for the second Manson trial on a Friday. It was a direct line from witness chair to the defendant. Talk about eyes burning into yours from across the room! The judge asked me if there was a compelling reason I couldn't serve. I replied that I was a freelance magazine writer and couldn't afford to live through a long trial on five bucks a day. The judge replied, with a smile, that I could get a fat book contract. (Not making any of this up.) When I ever-so-piously said I couldn't do *that* because it could affect my deliberations, my "eye-mate" Charlie broke into a big grin.
WOW!
Amazing story, Lawrence!
MSNBC legal eagle Joyce Vance, former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, has repeated so often on-air her faith in (even Georgia) jurors to rise above their prejudices and base their votes on evidence she has brought me around … pretty much.
There's a photo of the cracker jury in the case of J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant, on trial in 1955 for murdering Emmett Till. They're sitting back before the case ended and the sheriff told them, as they filed into the jury room, to drink a Coca-Cola, take some time, before they came back to deliver their "not guilty" verdict. Things much better now. I think Meadows would go down even before a federal jury.
Meadows is turning out to be what we used to call "hapless." And thinking of words, all of MSNBC seems to be misusing the word "fulsome." They think they're saying "complete," but that word means "unctuous," "overdone."
TV writers and commentators misusing a word! I'm shocked, just as shocked as I would be if I found out there was gambling at Rick's. (Insert winking emoji here.) If you're "thinking of words," imagine that Simone de Beauvoir tells Jean-Paul Sartre every day, over celestial espresso in some modest café or other, "Schmuck! Why didn't you copyright 'existential' when I told you to? Can you imagine how much better a neighborhood we could afford up here?" (Another emoji.)
Meadows is a fool!
I agree with her 100%.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. The justice system isn’t always fair but it has worked for me as a former public defender in rural Minnesota. Let Mr Trump and his minions take their chances in front of 12 serious minded citizens who in my experience almost always took their duty very seriously.
As long as they are not idiots listening to FOX/Tucker Carlson lies all day long and been brainwashed!
It looks to me that Peter Navarro set himself up for a two year sentence for defying a congressional subpoena with an encore performance as a defendant in a coup conspiracy. All this football talk notwithstanding. He was part of Team Trump, and he knew that a coup was in the works, even if he was coy about what to call it. If he insists on hanging tough, he's looking at maybe another eight years as a guest of Club Fed unless he wises up and cuts a deal with Jack Smith. A PhD in economics presumes an ability to add numbers. The next time he walks into a courtroom, he needs to have a plea agreement in exchange for his testimony against anyone else who may have been a party to this scheme. Maybe a few months of wearing a prison jump suit and carpet slippers will help him focus his attention on avoiding the runaway freight train coming in his direction.
Having a prior conviction adds months to his extended stay on the conspiracy count. A failure to accept responsibility for his criminal conduct is going to put him on ice for a long time. He fits right in with the unindicted co-conspirators Jeffrey Clark, Kenneth Chesebro, John Eastman, Sidney Powell, Rudi Giuliani, and whoever else got caught up in Jack Smith's dragnet.
Blabbing to reporters in a recorded conversation is going to punch Navarro's dance card for certain. He has a chance to become a cooperating witness and cut his losses. Will he do so? We'll see soon enough, but so far, he's still in thrall to the Orange Jesus. Stay tuned for further developments.
This conviction gives me hope that the rule of law will prevail for all the J6 defendants. Yes, being white and rich clearly allows for endless appeals but I don’t care how long it takes to convict and sentence them because ultimately that strategy will bankrupt them and unfortunately do irreparably harm their families. I predict that eventually they all get convicted and at long delayed sentencing to prison they will wish they had copped pleas at the start and had this over with long ago.
We've all been brought up on Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and led to believe that the good guys always win. That ideal has been exploded by guys like Mr. P01135890, aka the defendant in chief and his minions....not a decent one among them!
Was “it’s not a crime if you admit it on television” part of the Green Bay sweep plan?
Brilliant!
www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/proud-boy-to-be-in-prison-until-he-is-elderly-boy?utm_campaign=cm&utm_source=crm&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_SubPersRec_020520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bea06ca24c17c6adf122719&cndid=39215786&hasha=f710a742aa5164be4eadc5c96bf5747c&hashb=a2ebaee910d076bc707e9353642bcf0854cf4021&hashc=88994fd47e4b826d5314a64a4cfb8cb7f793fb5cb315c56dc34d20596700b125&mbid=CRMNYR062419&utm_term=NYR_PersRec_CYGNUS_2023-09-08
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After receiving a twenty-two-year sentence, a former Proud Boy acknowledged that he will be in prison until he is an Elderly Boy.
“Yes, I will eventually be an Elderly Boy,” Enrique Tarrio told reporters. “However, let’s be clear: while we Proud Boys are considering changing the name of our group, ‘Elderly Boys’ is not one of the options in the mix.”
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Tarrio said that, because of the behavior of other former Proud Boys at their trials, “Despondent Boys,” “Weepy Boys,” and “Belatedly Remorseful Boys” were all names that the organization was considering.
“We’ve been holding focus groups, but so far there’s been no consensus,” he said. “We may have to bring McKinsey in on this.
Thank you so much for this delightful belly laugh!
Proud Geezers?
Proud Incarcerated Geezers?
The List of Loons who served in the Trump Adm is reason enough Trump is never ever in the Oval again. (yes, includes his daughter and son-in-law). Said another way, they all belong on Gilligan's Island.
Yes, their very own Gitmo! Perfect!
OK, what do you think Navarro's prison job will be? (I think a librarian, if he's lucky. But, if he's obnoxious with the wrong folks, he could end up cleaning sidewalks or toilets.)
I don't even want to speculate on the prison nickname.
He is one of the most obnoxious jerks on the planet. Just about everyone dislikes him.
I can't see him lasting too long in prison without being punched out.
His is a face in search of a shovel. What an arrogant prick….
Toilets would get my vote, for all of them, and video tape it so that we can watch whenever we feel like it. I would get a perverse pleasure watching the insipid imbecile cleaning toilets 8 hours a day. Navarro's job can be to clean the brush for him, by hand. 🤷🏻💥
I sure wish they would get Roger Stone in the mix. He is one I would really like to see out of his pinstripe suits and Hamburg and into stripes going the other way and breaking rocks for 20 years.
Almost as infuriating -- these repeated attempts to jury-shop, judge-shop, whatever you want to call it -- appeals to get trials moved hither and yon, looking for an escape route, looking for enough potential Trumpista jurors to hang the jury. (ha, nice ironic phrase there)
I’ve heard of dumb but this takes the cake…😂😂😂