Whoa, not so fast cowboy. Not only are they planning on letting a long beaten disease back into the game, but don't forget the "necessary" austerity measures that the Efficiency Tzar is going to launch on day one that the Tzar predicts will lead to "a few painful years" before it really pays of, he thinks. The guy who got $19B in grants or some such so he could be the richest human on earth while handing out vials of his personal gizz for mass insemination.
And all this while we're implausibly rounding up millions of residents, many of whom are part of reason our economy is currently the best in the world and trump is serving fries and blowing microphones to get across the finish line.
Maybe the Coen Brothers can do another stupid criminals-themed film, and they won't need to dream up a story as far fetched as Trump, MAGA, Q, Proud Boys, Christofascists, and all the myriad losers and fakers. Wonder which actors would take it on....
When I was a boy in the 1950s--I'm 88 now--my parents were Christian Scientists. They were also vigorously opposed to fluoride in the water. Fortunately, my three brothers and I were smart enough not to buy into their crackpot beliefs.
Here’s a bit of “fluoride trivia”—my husband grew up in the 1950’s in Bloomington, Indiana, home of Indiana University. He remembers brushing his teeth with unmarked tubes of toothpaste throughout his childhood. As it turned out, his family was part of the original Crest toothpaste tests conducted at IU’s School of Dentistry. Crest was the first toothpaste to be formulated with stannous fluoride. Apparently he was not part of the control group—he’s 72 and has never had a cavity!
From my WTF files--"Crest has been shown to be an effective decay-preventing dentifrice when used in a conscientiously applied program of dental hygiene and regular professional care" Now please don't ask me where my glasses, car keys or shoes are.....
The most dangerous man is the man who does not know what he does not know. RFK Jr majored in history and went to law school. The idea of RFK Jr influencing healthcare policy should scare the hell out of everyone. Effective healthcare policy requires a deep understanding of what works and what doesn't. There are plenty of things in healthcare that make sense but have been proven not to work. Data, facts, and evidence are critical to effective healthcare reform.
True story. My family and I are in London right now, flew in this past Saturday and loving it. Great to be back in this most international of cities. One of the big reasons we are here is to catch a stage adaptation of Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove. The show was last night (Monday), so imagine my surprise when on Sunday the news came out about Trump and RFK, Idiot, wanting to ban flouride from from water. For those who have not seen the stone cold classic cold war movie of Strangelove, flouride in the water is an obsession of Col. Jack D. Ripper. (“Mandrake, flouride is in ice cream…children’s ice cream…”). Anyway, it was the capper on an incredibly nutso election season…may it end well for us. To be honest, I took it as a good sign.
You beat me to the Dr. Strangelove connection,I was just about to start a rant ! Oh Well you got me ! Now just show me the part with the Moronic Dumpster ye hawing while riding the 🚀I.C.B.M. into his empty victory party !💥😅😂
Personal for me, too. As a pre-fluoride and pre-polio kid, I have a mouthful of fillings to show for it along with awful memories of friends in iron lungs. These two idiots are a downright menace!
I’m only 68 ,but I remember the aftermath of the Poliomyelitis epidemic …the crippled kids the iron lung chambers it was a scary friggen time ! I also recall the massive vaccination campaign in the late 50s and early 60s I don’t recall anyone refusing to receive that vaccine! In my hometown of Boston children by the thousands lined up for weeks on end in order to avoid the horrors of that disease! If you didn’t have that vaccination scar on your shoulder it was reason to stop you from getting many services and going to school ! I don’t recall it ever being questioned ..it was a miracle to most !
Yes, it was a very scary time because as kids we worried that polio could strike us down at any moment. And even for those who recovered from polio, it can come back in middle age as post-polio syndrome. This happened to my cousin. She had polio at age 12 and recovered, although she walked with a posterior pelvic tilt. In her mid-fifties her spine began to collapse sideways. By her seventies she had lost about seven inches in height.
God forbid these folks should learn a bit of history! What also bugs me is they talk about banning these things, but you know they’ll get treated if they want it even if no one else can. 🤬
From an NIH research paper exploring dental health in the Inuit population which is highly affected by dental disease:
"Dental caries is considered the third most important scourge in the world by the WHO [1]. It is one of the most universal diseases and most humans are affected at least once in their lifetime [2]. Dental caries is characterised by a softening of the hard tissues of the tooth and evolve into a cavity due to the production of acids by bacteria in contact with sugars [3]. These cavities are painful and disabling for eating and speaking. Often neglected and underestimated, painful cavities have an important impact on overall health by altering eating, attention, sleep, mood and social relationships. Most importantly, if left untreated, dental caries can lead to death from sepsis [4,5]. Therefore, dental caries is a critical global health issue, especially in areas where dental care is not readily available, such as in circumpolar areas [6,7]." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10467516/
This is MAGA Turing back the clock to pre-historic Cro-Magnon days. . . .
In 2014 in Boyne City, MI near my summer home in Charlevoix in the northwestern part of the lower peninsula, residents of the town made a motion to remove fluoride in the water system. They believed all the stuff on the internet. Despite the testimony of area dentists, scientists and being shown statistics, the fluoride was removed. It had been in the water system for 40 years.
I had been going to note that, except for one, the several dentists whose children my teeth put through Ivy League colleges are all Republicans. Removing fluoride can only be good for business. Etc. But in fact, I know this surreal threat must dismay them probably more than most people. I suffered in their chairs because the town where I grew up hadn't yet fluoridated its water and my brother and I had the teeth to prove it.
When I was young, before fluoride, if the dentists were republicans they were Eisenhower republicans. So was my father. But if he was alive today he would have voted for Obama, Clinton, Biden and Harris.
Well, yes, if they are true professionals, what’s good for their patients should be paramount. But if that’s the case, it doesn’t seem like they were particularly vociferous in stopping something this stupid.
The American Dental Association, along with an overwhelming majority of dentists (including myself) are in favor of fluoridation. It is good sound science and a triumph of public health policy.
When I remember my idealistic expectations of the internet when it was new I could weep. My introduction to reality was '93ish, a local PC club's website, where my innocent postings brought replies that made me use gender-neutral IDs online ever since. And Usenet … !
The anti-expert disease must be cured. During early days of Covid, I read testimonials from people I grew up with swearing by ivermectin, ignoring their local physician/public health expert on masking, distancing, ivermectin as useless on Covid, and vaccines. These people are my age, we had the same science and civics classes. You bet they'll "research" the fluoride topic without a single read of or reference to an actual quality scientific journal, and conclude that OMG we've been poisoned all these years. And vaccinations--an ancestor had 9 children. Seven died of diphtheria in early childhood, five in one year. That's where RFK is headed, if he gets what he wants. FBC!! (Friggin Batshat Crazy)
My father lost a sister, a brother, and a cousin to diphtheria, all in the same week. He and his other brother were critically ill, the doctor had given up on them, but they recovered. This was 1916, in a small town in WW I Germany
OFF TOPIC but related. This morning I encountered a new Duckduckgo browser (vs search engine) innovation. When I started a video ddg offered to filter out youtube ads. Choice was one-time or permanent. It kicked in automatically on this 'Dr Strangelove' clip. The clip is funny and the ddg feature is liberating.
Search engine or browser or both? I've used the search engine from the gitgo, got the browser considerably later. I use it a lot but want of a "reader mode" makes it seem crude to me. This adfree youtube feature increases its value a lot. (I keep four or five off-brand browsers going all the time.)
Interesting. I don't think I've seen a youtube with no ads, but I just tried the Strangelove clip in a different android browser, ghostery, and it had no ads there either. So the clip was clean without browser mojo.
We don’t need to deflourinate as badly as we need to de Trumpinate.
Two trust fund baby men walk into a bar...
And talk about the Communist plot where they’re putting fluoride in our drinking water. (I’m old enough to remember this nonsense.)
I would be laughing if it wasn’t so scary right now
If you tried…. Real hard…. You couldn’t make this gang up….
Whoa, not so fast cowboy. Not only are they planning on letting a long beaten disease back into the game, but don't forget the "necessary" austerity measures that the Efficiency Tzar is going to launch on day one that the Tzar predicts will lead to "a few painful years" before it really pays of, he thinks. The guy who got $19B in grants or some such so he could be the richest human on earth while handing out vials of his personal gizz for mass insemination.
And all this while we're implausibly rounding up millions of residents, many of whom are part of reason our economy is currently the best in the world and trump is serving fries and blowing microphones to get across the finish line.
This is like a bad comic book.
More like a bad horror movie.
Maybe the Coen Brothers can do another stupid criminals-themed film, and they won't need to dream up a story as far fetched as Trump, MAGA, Q, Proud Boys, Christofascists, and all the myriad losers and fakers. Wonder which actors would take it on....
Don't want to hear or see Trumpty Dumpty or Bobby Brain Worm ever again. Never ever.
When I was a boy in the 1950s--I'm 88 now--my parents were Christian Scientists. They were also vigorously opposed to fluoride in the water. Fortunately, my three brothers and I were smart enough not to buy into their crackpot beliefs.
I was raised a Christian Scientist and it is true many of their ideas are off the wall, but they never force or shame anyone into doing anything.
Shithouse rats have found a pair as crazy as they are.
The rats are demanding an apology now.
😂😂😂
Here’s a bit of “fluoride trivia”—my husband grew up in the 1950’s in Bloomington, Indiana, home of Indiana University. He remembers brushing his teeth with unmarked tubes of toothpaste throughout his childhood. As it turned out, his family was part of the original Crest toothpaste tests conducted at IU’s School of Dentistry. Crest was the first toothpaste to be formulated with stannous fluoride. Apparently he was not part of the control group—he’s 72 and has never had a cavity!
From my WTF files--"Crest has been shown to be an effective decay-preventing dentifrice when used in a conscientiously applied program of dental hygiene and regular professional care" Now please don't ask me where my glasses, car keys or shoes are.....
The most dangerous man is the man who does not know what he does not know. RFK Jr majored in history and went to law school. The idea of RFK Jr influencing healthcare policy should scare the hell out of everyone. Effective healthcare policy requires a deep understanding of what works and what doesn't. There are plenty of things in healthcare that make sense but have been proven not to work. Data, facts, and evidence are critical to effective healthcare reform.
JFK and RFK are rolling in their graves...sad!
Many of his siblings and cousins think he’s a dingbat, too, from what I’ve read.
True story. My family and I are in London right now, flew in this past Saturday and loving it. Great to be back in this most international of cities. One of the big reasons we are here is to catch a stage adaptation of Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove. The show was last night (Monday), so imagine my surprise when on Sunday the news came out about Trump and RFK, Idiot, wanting to ban flouride from from water. For those who have not seen the stone cold classic cold war movie of Strangelove, flouride in the water is an obsession of Col. Jack D. Ripper. (“Mandrake, flouride is in ice cream…children’s ice cream…”). Anyway, it was the capper on an incredibly nutso election season…may it end well for us. To be honest, I took it as a good sign.
(Sidenote - the production was brilliant.)
Communist infiltration of our precious bodily fluids, Mandrake!
You beat me to the Dr. Strangelove connection,I was just about to start a rant ! Oh Well you got me ! Now just show me the part with the Moronic Dumpster ye hawing while riding the 🚀I.C.B.M. into his empty victory party !💥😅😂
Loved that scene.
First thing I thought of also!! Sterling Hayden, I think.
Personal for me, too. As a pre-fluoride and pre-polio kid, I have a mouthful of fillings to show for it along with awful memories of friends in iron lungs. These two idiots are a downright menace!
If these anti-vaxxers had lived through the polio epidemic, they’d be first in line for any vaccine available.
I’m only 68 ,but I remember the aftermath of the Poliomyelitis epidemic …the crippled kids the iron lung chambers it was a scary friggen time ! I also recall the massive vaccination campaign in the late 50s and early 60s I don’t recall anyone refusing to receive that vaccine! In my hometown of Boston children by the thousands lined up for weeks on end in order to avoid the horrors of that disease! If you didn’t have that vaccination scar on your shoulder it was reason to stop you from getting many services and going to school ! I don’t recall it ever being questioned ..it was a miracle to most !
Yes, it was a very scary time because as kids we worried that polio could strike us down at any moment. And even for those who recovered from polio, it can come back in middle age as post-polio syndrome. This happened to my cousin. She had polio at age 12 and recovered, although she walked with a posterior pelvic tilt. In her mid-fifties her spine began to collapse sideways. By her seventies she had lost about seven inches in height.
Also pre-fluoride. My mouthful of fillings have been replaced by a mouthful of crowns. Oh, and throw in 6-8 root canals and an implant
I am 79 and remember the terror of polio. The vaccine was regarded as a miracle.
I also have bad teeth partly because I have never lived in a place with fluoridated water.
God forbid these folks should learn a bit of history! What also bugs me is they talk about banning these things, but you know they’ll get treated if they want it even if no one else can. 🤬
From an NIH research paper exploring dental health in the Inuit population which is highly affected by dental disease:
"Dental caries is considered the third most important scourge in the world by the WHO [1]. It is one of the most universal diseases and most humans are affected at least once in their lifetime [2]. Dental caries is characterised by a softening of the hard tissues of the tooth and evolve into a cavity due to the production of acids by bacteria in contact with sugars [3]. These cavities are painful and disabling for eating and speaking. Often neglected and underestimated, painful cavities have an important impact on overall health by altering eating, attention, sleep, mood and social relationships. Most importantly, if left untreated, dental caries can lead to death from sepsis [4,5]. Therefore, dental caries is a critical global health issue, especially in areas where dental care is not readily available, such as in circumpolar areas [6,7]." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10467516/
This is MAGA Turing back the clock to pre-historic Cro-Magnon days. . . .
In 2014 in Boyne City, MI near my summer home in Charlevoix in the northwestern part of the lower peninsula, residents of the town made a motion to remove fluoride in the water system. They believed all the stuff on the internet. Despite the testimony of area dentists, scientists and being shown statistics, the fluoride was removed. It had been in the water system for 40 years.
Just think about all the business those dentists are going to get: cavities, extractions, implants, crowns, bridges.
I had been going to note that, except for one, the several dentists whose children my teeth put through Ivy League colleges are all Republicans. Removing fluoride can only be good for business. Etc. But in fact, I know this surreal threat must dismay them probably more than most people. I suffered in their chairs because the town where I grew up hadn't yet fluoridated its water and my brother and I had the teeth to prove it.
When I was young, before fluoride, if the dentists were republicans they were Eisenhower republicans. So was my father. But if he was alive today he would have voted for Obama, Clinton, Biden and Harris.
The dentist who testified all were for keeping the water fluoridated. They put the care of their patients first.
For dentists , and the general population, it was a public health triumph.
Well, yes, if they are true professionals, what’s good for their patients should be paramount. But if that’s the case, it doesn’t seem like they were particularly vociferous in stopping something this stupid.
The American Dental Association, along with an overwhelming majority of dentists (including myself) are in favor of fluoridation. It is good sound science and a triumph of public health policy.
The residents were frightened by the fear mongering of conservatives. Sad.
They had gone down the crazies rabbit holes. It’s hard to get people to understand that what they read on the internet omits not always true.
When I remember my idealistic expectations of the internet when it was new I could weep. My introduction to reality was '93ish, a local PC club's website, where my innocent postings brought replies that made me use gender-neutral IDs online ever since. And Usenet … !
🙄😳
The anti-expert disease must be cured. During early days of Covid, I read testimonials from people I grew up with swearing by ivermectin, ignoring their local physician/public health expert on masking, distancing, ivermectin as useless on Covid, and vaccines. These people are my age, we had the same science and civics classes. You bet they'll "research" the fluoride topic without a single read of or reference to an actual quality scientific journal, and conclude that OMG we've been poisoned all these years. And vaccinations--an ancestor had 9 children. Seven died of diphtheria in early childhood, five in one year. That's where RFK is headed, if he gets what he wants. FBC!! (Friggin Batshat Crazy)
My father lost a sister, a brother, and a cousin to diphtheria, all in the same week. He and his other brother were critically ill, the doctor had given up on them, but they recovered. This was 1916, in a small town in WW I Germany
PLEASE,! This is the war room you can’t fight in the war room !🤪
Lol, watch me :)
I had a “discussion” over VAERS just today with an idiot.
Fangs for the thoughtful comment. Who knew they wanted to break our teeth as well as the rest of our bodies?
The flouride scene in Dr. Strangelove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67wKhddWu4
OFF TOPIC but related. This morning I encountered a new Duckduckgo browser (vs search engine) innovation. When I started a video ddg offered to filter out youtube ads. Choice was one-time or permanent. It kicked in automatically on this 'Dr Strangelove' clip. The clip is funny and the ddg feature is liberating.
Love my DDG!
Search engine or browser or both? I've used the search engine from the gitgo, got the browser considerably later. I use it a lot but want of a "reader mode" makes it seem crude to me. This adfree youtube feature increases its value a lot. (I keep four or five off-brand browsers going all the time.)
This clip was ad free for me, Chrome, but that’s rare.
Interesting. I don't think I've seen a youtube with no ads, but I just tried the Strangelove clip in a different android browser, ghostery, and it had no ads there either. So the clip was clean without browser mojo.