Well, I guess somebody has to stand up for the rights of spousal killers, wife beaters, child abusers, and the Second Amendment, and I’ll just bet you can guess who it is. Today, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas stepped up and took one for the team, voting alone against the 8-1 decision in
By Thomas's own "history and tradition" reasoning, such as it is, he is still a slave and his marriage to a White woman is illegal. How about addressing that, Clarence?
I've got Custises and Lees in my maternal line, and my grandmother's middle name was Washington. She grew up in Richmond. Hey, we might be related! There might be a connection to the Jeffersons if you go back far enough -- but my sister's the genealogist in the family. I'll ask her.
He has been bought and his only option at this point is to say, "yassa Master." Plus, he has a pushy wife that he obviously defers. He does not belong on the court as he is compromised and pussy whipped.
I am better than he is. He wants originalism, let's see what the constitution said about slaves back at the time of the original writings. I do appreciate your personal opinion, however. Have a great eveninig.
What a meaningless response. You should withdraw or apologise for your racist Jim Crow era remniscent joke and your openly misogynist words about his wife which are nothing to do with her politics and everything to do with her gender. This kind of insulting and pathetic language does not belong on Mr Truscott's page. His analytical writing and 100% of his responding commenter's words don't flail around in this gutter level of puerile racial and gender based insults which is why I'm reacting to your comment with approbrium. I appreciate Mr Truscott's and Mr Truscott's responders' intelligent, reasoned and respectful analyses and yours, presumably pretending to be jokey and witty, don't fit into that category of discourse, at all.
Rs/cons are to a person cherry-pickers and insist they can square a circle of their own making.. No exceptions. Couldn't stop chuckling at CJ Roberts rebuke of lower courts for reading Bruen...literally. Then the kicker of citing long-held liberal arguments of muskets and sabres in the time of the framing. Of course, the irony of his words run smack dab into his vote not to ban bump stocks. In this case, no one was killed, yet in the Vegas massacre 58 were killed and circa 500 wounded or injured.
So, in less than 2week the conservative majority minus one has been all over the map on all-things guns. And this case revealed how foolish any argument of tradition and history is.
As to Thomas marrying a white woman: Have encountered my share of POC who think, act, and behave as if they were yt or white. There is a litany of colorful names for those folk. In my culture, one common name for them is apples, red on the outside, white on the inside. As to slavery, keep in mind Thomas bragged he spends his summers on the road in "his" RV and using Walmart parking lots to be with ordinary folk. How noble, if it were true. Instead he is a slave to the mega rich, as their token Negro who will do as he is commanded. Doubt they would have given him a 2nd look had he married a WOC.
Trivia: Thomas and John Roberts wife both attended and graduated from the College of the Holy Cross. Thomas and Roberts are very close.
The entire concept of "originalism" plays more like a bad Twilight Zone episode than a serious legal theory. It's amazing that judges who do this work for a living can espouse it with a straight face. It's whole purpose relies on pretending the last 250 years of society never happened and we're living happily on a plantation economy. As Linda points out I don't think that Clarence has thought the repercussions through.
Even I could maul and then eviscerate Justice Thomas in a serious Oxford-style debate, specifically on his grotesque misuse of the concepts of "justice, to justify, and justifications" - and this isn't even any special philosophical study of mine, there must be a million and more current thinkers around who would do it better, too! I have no illusions about that!
It's terrifying this knucklehead and Alito are on the United States Supreme Court.
“Some courts have misunderstood the methodology of our recent Second Amendment cases. These precedents were not meant to suggest a law trapped in amber,” Roberts wrote.
They sure as hell were intended to suggest a law trapped in amber. You just got embarrassed when some of the consequences came to light, Mr. Chief Justice. And you approved the decisions that trapped the law in amber, or else you're out of the loop.
I will bet real American money that you'll rule back with the 17th century fools, next time you have a chance. That's what you consistently do, after throwing us lefties a morsel: Give a little, take a lot -- it's a vicious pattern on the Court these days.
Jesus in a shopping cart! Roberts is perhaps desperately trying to preserve some sanity on that ship of fools, or rather prevent them from becoming permanently disgraced by history. But it’s too late, “Chief Justice”.
Somehow Justice Thomas never disappoints us in proving how awful he is. And didn't Justice Roberts vote for the continued use of the bump stocks? This Supreme Court is beyond awful.
Too bad that Ol’ Clarence hasn’t figured out that back in the glorious 17th century, people with his skin color were considered as less than human and fit to be treated only as property of white men.
And one asswipe decided to say he won an election that he lost (and he knows he lost) and realized running for president again was the only way to stay out of jail...for four years, that is.
When, oh when, are justices and lawyers who rely on “laws as they were” in 1791 going to look also at the weapons to which those laws applied? Ok, let that wife-beater have his weapons: but let them be muzzle loading, black powder firing, flint ignighting, HEAVY PISTOLS of that time!!!! You can’t have history and it’s laws on your side only when you win (which seems to be the Trump/MAGA doctrine) and ignore it the rest of the time. Bullets weren’t even invented until the mid 1800s. Automatically firing weapons came much later!!! Ever tried to shove a Gatling gun into your pant belt? You’d have to be a much bigger man than “Justice” Thomas to do
I really can’t deal with Thomas’ ridiculous reasoning. That he even uses the words stating that laws for dealing with gun violence , made at the time of the founding of this nation, are of course , the solution in 2024 is BS . I don’t believe that he believes this either .
He’s been exposed as a grifter and he blames ‘ the nasty mean people in Washington , DC ‘ for objecting to his flagrant violations regarding accepting gifts worth billions from Conservatives w business before the Court.
He is expanding his hissy-fit behavior just to let people know he won’t stand any Criticism.
So he’ll pout and dig in his heels because apparently no one has the right to disagree with him.
He’s wrong on this one .
Let’s add a little free floating common sense to the mix
Domestic abusers should not be allowed to have weapons. Period.
Not hard . Common Sense .
The words written in the late 1700’s regarding a man’s right to bear arms , should be able to questioned at this time in our history .
Where more people die from
Gunshot wounds than any other country. Value your interpretation or value life . Of adults , kids and old men.
Common sense.
I didn’t see any problem with trashing the Constitution when Trump , who attempted a coup
On these United States on Jan 6 , was allowed the option to violate the clear words of the 14 th Amendment, regarding government officials who have taken an oath to defend and protect the laws of the land, decides not to .
It’s pretty clear to most of the people in this country.
Trump should be disqualified from running again for the Presidency because he violated his oath of office.
Not hard . The MAGA justices fell all over themselves making up excuses to not apply this law to Trump.
I imagine that Thomas is proud of himself for standing up for principle -- the deranged principle he created in Bruen -- rather than succumb, as the eight others did, to a soft-hearted concern for women who are being murdered. The law is the law, after all. We serve it; it does not exist to serve us.
So much has changed since then. The place of women in society; may we never return to those days of disenfranchisement and illiteracy and 2nd class status.
Wow. The hypocrisy and irony of “Clearance” Thomas’s dissent just can’t be denied here. How is it possible that he doesn’t recognize that the “history and tradition” of laws during the founding of this country would have him trapped in the iron manacles of slavery and likely lynched for even touching his white wife?
On similar note, now I know what’s behind the commonly used “rule of thumb” phrase and will NEVER utter those words again.
Of course he’s angry. He thought after getting away with sexually assaulting Anita Hill he feels entitled like tRump said, “‘I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," he said in the 2005 conversation. "Grab 'em by the pussy.’”
It is mind boggling to me that this man holds one of the highest positions in the Nation. We shoulda listened to Anita Hill. Oh, right WE DID! It was our elected leaders who fucked that one up big time.
Yeah, Biden really screwed that hearing up. Biden’s behavior towards Anita Hill and his coddling of “Clearance” Thomas during the confirmation hearings have sure come back to bite us all in the ass. Especially women.
I know. I try to forget about that. Hey, people fuck up and people evolve. Later in his life Arlen Specter actually apologized for his behavior during those hearings.
Kudos for reading the decision. I liked "the law in amber," which I'm guessing is the guiding star for the RW SCOTUS Justices. (Clever to have framed it as Thomas sticking up for the originalists.) Good one.
By Thomas's own "history and tradition" reasoning, such as it is, he is still a slave and his marriage to a White woman is illegal. How about addressing that, Clarence?
Exactly, this is some of the most pathetic kinds of rote applications of "originalism" imaginable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism
If Clarence Thomas has a lineage that goes back to early Virginia, then he could belong to ME God damn it! Give me my property back!
Be careful what you wish for . . . OTOH, if Clarence comes with the RV and the other swag his rich friends have provided, it might be a good deal.
I could use a good fancy RV and someone to pull the weeds in my yard and take out the trash. He appears to be eminently qualified.
just barely
Me too. Should we sell him?
Lol!
I've got Custises and Lees in my maternal line, and my grandmother's middle name was Washington. She grew up in Richmond. Hey, we might be related! There might be a connection to the Jeffersons if you go back far enough -- but my sister's the genealogist in the family. I'll ask her.
Sorry but Harlan Crow already owns him.
And why bother having a Congress to pass new laws if we’re just going to abide by the the laws as written when the original Constitution was enacted?
ExFukinZactly!!
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thomas is a horrible human, and has no business on the SC.
What the hell is wrong with him! Something is not right with the guy! Really!
He has been bought and his only option at this point is to say, "yassa Master." Plus, he has a pushy wife that he obviously defers. He does not belong on the court as he is compromised and pussy whipped.
What a disgusting, misogynist,, racist, sniggering comment. Shame shame, what makes you better than Thomas?
I am better than he is. He wants originalism, let's see what the constitution said about slaves back at the time of the original writings. I do appreciate your personal opinion, however. Have a great eveninig.
What a meaningless response. You should withdraw or apologise for your racist Jim Crow era remniscent joke and your openly misogynist words about his wife which are nothing to do with her politics and everything to do with her gender. This kind of insulting and pathetic language does not belong on Mr Truscott's page. His analytical writing and 100% of his responding commenter's words don't flail around in this gutter level of puerile racial and gender based insults which is why I'm reacting to your comment with approbrium. I appreciate Mr Truscott's and Mr Truscott's responders' intelligent, reasoned and respectful analyses and yours, presumably pretending to be jokey and witty, don't fit into that category of discourse, at all.
He's a slave to trump.
Rs/cons are to a person cherry-pickers and insist they can square a circle of their own making.. No exceptions. Couldn't stop chuckling at CJ Roberts rebuke of lower courts for reading Bruen...literally. Then the kicker of citing long-held liberal arguments of muskets and sabres in the time of the framing. Of course, the irony of his words run smack dab into his vote not to ban bump stocks. In this case, no one was killed, yet in the Vegas massacre 58 were killed and circa 500 wounded or injured.
So, in less than 2week the conservative majority minus one has been all over the map on all-things guns. And this case revealed how foolish any argument of tradition and history is.
As to Thomas marrying a white woman: Have encountered my share of POC who think, act, and behave as if they were yt or white. There is a litany of colorful names for those folk. In my culture, one common name for them is apples, red on the outside, white on the inside. As to slavery, keep in mind Thomas bragged he spends his summers on the road in "his" RV and using Walmart parking lots to be with ordinary folk. How noble, if it were true. Instead he is a slave to the mega rich, as their token Negro who will do as he is commanded. Doubt they would have given him a 2nd look had he married a WOC.
Trivia: Thomas and John Roberts wife both attended and graduated from the College of the Holy Cross. Thomas and Roberts are very close.
Exactly so. I came here to say that. 👍🏻
As they say, great minds think alike.
The entire concept of "originalism" plays more like a bad Twilight Zone episode than a serious legal theory. It's amazing that judges who do this work for a living can espouse it with a straight face. It's whole purpose relies on pretending the last 250 years of society never happened and we're living happily on a plantation economy. As Linda points out I don't think that Clarence has thought the repercussions through.
Clarence never thinks anything through. He is simply a maelstrom of resentment and hate.
Exactly my thoughts!
I think he could also be charged with rape.
Even I could maul and then eviscerate Justice Thomas in a serious Oxford-style debate, specifically on his grotesque misuse of the concepts of "justice, to justify, and justifications" - and this isn't even any special philosophical study of mine, there must be a million and more current thinkers around who would do it better, too! I have no illusions about that!
It's terrifying this knucklehead and Alito are on the United States Supreme Court.
LKTiv:
“Some courts have misunderstood the methodology of our recent Second Amendment cases. These precedents were not meant to suggest a law trapped in amber,” Roberts wrote.
They sure as hell were intended to suggest a law trapped in amber. You just got embarrassed when some of the consequences came to light, Mr. Chief Justice. And you approved the decisions that trapped the law in amber, or else you're out of the loop.
I will bet real American money that you'll rule back with the 17th century fools, next time you have a chance. That's what you consistently do, after throwing us lefties a morsel: Give a little, take a lot -- it's a vicious pattern on the Court these days.
They are abusers, by that note.
exactly
Jesus in a shopping cart! Roberts is perhaps desperately trying to preserve some sanity on that ship of fools, or rather prevent them from becoming permanently disgraced by history. But it’s too late, “Chief Justice”.
It sure is! It’s become a clown show; where’s the VW they pile into like f’ing clowns!
Somehow Justice Thomas never disappoints us in proving how awful he is. And didn't Justice Roberts vote for the continued use of the bump stocks? This Supreme Court is beyond awful.
Unbelievable!!! You can't make this shit up yet again!
He wrote the majority decision Kit, he’s the author of it. 👎🏻👎🏻
I know that. I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy. I've lost total respect for Roberts.
Too bad that Ol’ Clarence hasn’t figured out that back in the glorious 17th century, people with his skin color were considered as less than human and fit to be treated only as property of white men.
I think he hates that he's Black, which I believe colors, pardon the expression, many of his decisions.
Fact. Self-loathing.
👍👍👍
Jebus h Pete and all because millions of troglodytes could not vote for a woman…
And one asswipe decided to say he won an election that he lost (and he knows he lost) and realized running for president again was the only way to stay out of jail...for four years, that is.
When, oh when, are justices and lawyers who rely on “laws as they were” in 1791 going to look also at the weapons to which those laws applied? Ok, let that wife-beater have his weapons: but let them be muzzle loading, black powder firing, flint ignighting, HEAVY PISTOLS of that time!!!! You can’t have history and it’s laws on your side only when you win (which seems to be the Trump/MAGA doctrine) and ignore it the rest of the time. Bullets weren’t even invented until the mid 1800s. Automatically firing weapons came much later!!! Ever tried to shove a Gatling gun into your pant belt? You’d have to be a much bigger man than “Justice” Thomas to do
that.
A detail, perhaps, but bullets go back to the 1400's. Check this site out:
https://shop.otmtactical.com/The-History-of-Ammunition-The-First-Bullet.html
You may be thinking of the modern /cartridge/ or the pointed-cylindrical bullet.
RIght On!!
I really can’t deal with Thomas’ ridiculous reasoning. That he even uses the words stating that laws for dealing with gun violence , made at the time of the founding of this nation, are of course , the solution in 2024 is BS . I don’t believe that he believes this either .
He’s been exposed as a grifter and he blames ‘ the nasty mean people in Washington , DC ‘ for objecting to his flagrant violations regarding accepting gifts worth billions from Conservatives w business before the Court.
He is expanding his hissy-fit behavior just to let people know he won’t stand any Criticism.
So he’ll pout and dig in his heels because apparently no one has the right to disagree with him.
He’s wrong on this one .
Let’s add a little free floating common sense to the mix
Domestic abusers should not be allowed to have weapons. Period.
Not hard . Common Sense .
The words written in the late 1700’s regarding a man’s right to bear arms , should be able to questioned at this time in our history .
Where more people die from
Gunshot wounds than any other country. Value your interpretation or value life . Of adults , kids and old men.
Common sense.
I didn’t see any problem with trashing the Constitution when Trump , who attempted a coup
On these United States on Jan 6 , was allowed the option to violate the clear words of the 14 th Amendment, regarding government officials who have taken an oath to defend and protect the laws of the land, decides not to .
It’s pretty clear to most of the people in this country.
Trump should be disqualified from running again for the Presidency because he violated his oath of office.
Not hard . The MAGA justices fell all over themselves making up excuses to not apply this law to Trump.
Their Error.
The Perfect Storm Nightmare!
I imagine that Thomas is proud of himself for standing up for principle -- the deranged principle he created in Bruen -- rather than succumb, as the eight others did, to a soft-hearted concern for women who are being murdered. The law is the law, after all. We serve it; it does not exist to serve us.
I agree but I also feel that somebody who has bought him made the final decision.
Yes, it’s true. I find Thomas despicable.
Justice for Sale
In the alley's dark, history's cursed trade,
Man of onyx sold to the highest blade.
Old whips' kin, wallets fat with sin,
Bought his silence, fire deep within.
He strode to the block, a grin on his face,
Gold and promises, his skin's disgrace.
Greed's bleak light, soul stripped bare,
Pride exposed for trinkets they’d spare.
Cold manacle round his throat,
Followed demons, barely afloat.
No rebellion, nod and smile,
Gold's gleam made chains worthwhile.
Obedient, bowed, spirit on lease,
Traded fire for a slice of ease.
In grotesque carnival, liberty sold,
Knelt to command, lusting for gold.
In damned land, shadows reign,
Willing slave, bound by greed’s chain.
Testament to the cycle’s cruel spin,
Chose yoke, sold out for sin.
Clarence Thomas, gifts received,
Justice for sale, public deceived.
Highest court, seat betrayed,
Honor lost in gold's charade.
Supreme robe, sullied, torn,
Sold decisions, loyalty sworn.
Betrayed the bench, ethics slighted,
For greed's glare, justice blighted.
Dark alley deals, shadows cast,
Integrity lost, his soul harassed.
Highest bidder, bought the court,
Justice crumbled, sold and bought.
Perfect Gloria!
Talk about hitting the nail on the head! Thanks, Gloria.
I love the Constitution. I love
reading the Federalist Papers
and how these men, "240
years ago" brought forth the
standards in our Constitution.
But that was 240 years ago.
They NEVER envisioned the
country we all live in today,
or the 3 branches of
government they thought
would protect and live by
the "standards" of the Constitution. Especially
SCOTUS.
They NEVER envisioned the
weapons we have today. That
we're licensed, or not, to
carry and kill each other for
whatever reason you woke up
with.
I think originalism of the
Constitution is a great thing
to study. I don't think, believe
or feel, SCOTUS should base
decisions for 2024, especially
on guns, on the "original
context" of the 2nd
Amendment written 240
years ago and enshrine
them as laws of the land.
So much has changed since then. The place of women in society; may we never return to those days of disenfranchisement and illiteracy and 2nd class status.
Gotta say, the Magats and Supremes are trying hard to drag women back into slavery. Resist, resist, resist sisters. Demonstrate, push back and vote.
Wow. The hypocrisy and irony of “Clearance” Thomas’s dissent just can’t be denied here. How is it possible that he doesn’t recognize that the “history and tradition” of laws during the founding of this country would have him trapped in the iron manacles of slavery and likely lynched for even touching his white wife?
On similar note, now I know what’s behind the commonly used “rule of thumb” phrase and will NEVER utter those words again.
It's a false etymology, it has been debunked many-many times. The phrase does NOT come from some (unknown) law permitting the beating of wives.
Is it is, or is it ain’t?
Thomas could have easily made this a majority.
But its evident he is ANGRY.
Of course he’s angry. He thought after getting away with sexually assaulting Anita Hill he feels entitled like tRump said, “‘I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," he said in the 2005 conversation. "Grab 'em by the pussy.’”
Maybe he is angry as he is black but not
He's on a short leash.
It is mind boggling to me that this man holds one of the highest positions in the Nation. We shoulda listened to Anita Hill. Oh, right WE DID! It was our elected leaders who fucked that one up big time.
Yeah, Biden really screwed that hearing up. Biden’s behavior towards Anita Hill and his coddling of “Clearance” Thomas during the confirmation hearings have sure come back to bite us all in the ass. Especially women.
I know. I try to forget about that. Hey, people fuck up and people evolve. Later in his life Arlen Specter actually apologized for his behavior during those hearings.
Biden apologized too. I’m still voting for him anyway.
Kudos for reading the decision. I liked "the law in amber," which I'm guessing is the guiding star for the RW SCOTUS Justices. (Clever to have framed it as Thomas sticking up for the originalists.) Good one.