Or a combination of brain and heart -- OK, so "heart" is a metaphor, and feelings don't really originate in the heart any more than courage comes from a part of the male anatomy. I just flashed on (and had to look up) the famous Rudyard Kipling poem "If," which begins "If you can keep your head when all about you / Are losing theirs and blaming it on you . . ." Which is all about guys again, but it gets at what I think of as courage, clarity, purpose, all that good stuff that I think Liz Cheney (along with others on that committee, esp. Jamie Raskin) has. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---
I’ve always preferred spine or backbone. As much as I hate her politics, I admire her willingness to dish out the truth in language even republicans can’t ignore. It truly illustrates that love of country should always come before political ideology. Always!
I respect the actions she has taken, very publicly calling out her Republican colleagues and speaking the truth. I don’t believe her words are crafted for personal gain, but rather in allegiance to her oath of office as she sees it, as a staunch conservative. I disagree with her congressional positions almost completely, but she and Kinzinger have done what all Republicans should have after Jan 6th, so I respect her for standing up as so painfully few on the right have. What’s shocking is that so many on the right still fearfully pander to the ex-president, and that goes as well for “his base.”
The real tragedy is that she trails her Wyoming opponent Harriett Hageman by 28 to 56 percent. The good news is that she could be included in Biden's next administration.
Yes... that is why her stance on this is so important! Unlike the quislings who have sworn loyalty to a demented, malignant narcissist she has chosen to stand up for the very basis of the "Constitution". They want to do away with democracy... all voting unimportant and to be ignored by them.
As I watched her report the information last night, I started to wonder if she would’ve been the one to stand up to the trumplicans if she had not witnessed every dirty thing her father did. It has been surreal to have her be the one to stand up for truth and decency when I disagree with her (and her father) about so many things.
I too have complicated feelings about her. But I believe that she is her own person, as she has shown by standing up to the current leaders of the Republican Party. And I am very, very happy about that. And I celebrate that.
Yes, Maggie! She is playing a vital role in getting to the truth of what happened leading up to and on Jan. 6. She is doing what every politician should be doing. Country and Truth over personal gain. So rare. She, and everyone on the committee, deserves recognition for their contributions to educating the world rather than trying to sweep it under the rug and create an alternate reality.
I rarely agree with her politics, but I have to admire her courage and steadfastness in defending basic democratic norms. In a party of spineless weasels and grubby little traitors, Cheney shines out like a beacon.
Absolutely-and her statement will be read into the Congressional record for all posterity, as it should be. Heroine, when we need all those we can get.
Towards the end of her statement, she said, "... to my Republican colleagues who ae defending the indefensible, there will come a time when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain".
She is meeting her obligation to protect and defend the Constitution. The fact that she is being hailed as a hero for risking her political future by doing her job is a sad reflection of how accustomed we are to politicians whose only interest is their own election or re-election.
True that. But Cheney has put everything on the line. In a party that celebrates a Matt Gaetz, a Marjorie Taylor-Green, a Lauren Boebert, a Jim Jordan, a Josh Hawley, a Rick Scott and above all a Ron De Santis, and who have packed the Supreme Court with right-wing partisans who are determined to take our country back at least two centuries in the name of "originalism", I celebrate her determination to 'stop the steal' of the basic tenets of democracy. She will never be elected again in Wyoming.
IMHO she is no hero. While she correctly pointed out the horrors committed by her fellow Republicans, she has taken no responsibility for her, and even more, her father's responsibility for pushing the GOP over the far right cliff, making it easy for John J. Trump to claim the Presidency. When, and if, (and I don't expect it to ever happen), she admits Cheney culpability, I might admire her work on the committee. Until then, she is a hypocrite.
A hero is someone who rises to the occasion in extreme circumstances. Sainthood is not required. This is good, because many bona fide heroes would not qualify. Cheney may well have thrown her legislative career away in order to do the right thing, and IMO she's done it brilliantly. She also displayed considerable courage last year for acknowledging she was wrong to oppose same-sex marriage. (Her sister, Mary, married another woman in 2012.) that probably didn't go over well with Wyoming Republicans either.
I don't expect sainthood. But she and her father are culpable for the destruction of the GOP, going back decades, and for her to refuse to acknowledge that fact will continue to prevent my looking at her as heroic.
She might be the only real leader the Republicans have got -- but at the moment I can't guess what a schismatic (sorry, I love that word!) GOP would look like. The relatively rational but still disgusting part has all the money, but they don't have anywhere near the numbers needed to win elections. The Trumpers have the numbers but they're nuts. According to Tim Alberta's fascinating story in the June _Atlantic,_ the Evangelical base has fissures of its own. I'm also wondering how the whole experience of being tossed out of the GOP and consorting closely with Democrats for many, many months will affect her thinking and her politics. She's very smart, and she's demonstrated that she's capable of change.
She is not responsible for her father's actions. He did his own evil from his own time. She has nothing to apologize for. Even I, who hated Bush and Cheney, recognize they are separate people.
She learned at her father's knee and espouses his same neocon beliefs. No she isn't responsible for her father's actions. But he taught her everything she knows and she was a willing student. She was elected to Congress as Dick Cheney's daughter.
I think he was less of a player in that than the US Supreme Court, which ordered the case sent back to Florida, and then Florida kicked it back again-and they decided the whole thing for Bush.
Not Cheney's fault. It was Roger Stone's "Brook's Brother's" riot that upset the election and disrupted the count so it could be thrown to the Federalist Society's already skewed supreme court - but Cheney & the Bush Brothers knew it was corrupt (like a frat prank) and Cheney was complicit. Then he later made up a reason to invade Iraq when it was really all about oil. No saint.
And let add the Cheney’s company, Halliburton, secured government funds to construct a airplane landing strip in Iraq. These funds were approved without other companies competing.
I think it’s Newt Gingrich who has been advising these Repub chumps to disrupt any real engaging processes with the Dems. He is the elephant in the room.
And how INTERESTING that good ol' brother Jeb just happened to be the governor of the key state that finagled the election. What a coincidence there, eh?
My sister asked me if I thought Liz would run for Prez. I told her it really depended on who she picked as a running mate. She and Bennie make a good team but I’d rather see him go for it.
"I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible: there will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.”
Know who else was impressive as hell? Officer Caroline Edwards of the Capitol Police.
For a woman who looks like the embodiment of a Ralph Lauren model, she chose to be a law officer. Brava to her!
Agreed! She has more balls than every single Republican in Washington.
More than all the Republicans in Congress combined! With a nod to Adam Kinzinger, bless his heart as well.
I really, really wish we could stop equating a part of the male anatomy with courage.
You’re right! How about referring to her brain! The use of her intelligence!
Or a combination of brain and heart -- OK, so "heart" is a metaphor, and feelings don't really originate in the heart any more than courage comes from a part of the male anatomy. I just flashed on (and had to look up) the famous Rudyard Kipling poem "If," which begins "If you can keep your head when all about you / Are losing theirs and blaming it on you . . ." Which is all about guys again, but it gets at what I think of as courage, clarity, purpose, all that good stuff that I think Liz Cheney (along with others on that committee, esp. Jamie Raskin) has. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---
I’ve always preferred spine or backbone. As much as I hate her politics, I admire her willingness to dish out the truth in language even republicans can’t ignore. It truly illustrates that love of country should always come before political ideology. Always!
I respect the actions she has taken, very publicly calling out her Republican colleagues and speaking the truth. I don’t believe her words are crafted for personal gain, but rather in allegiance to her oath of office as she sees it, as a staunch conservative. I disagree with her congressional positions almost completely, but she and Kinzinger have done what all Republicans should have after Jan 6th, so I respect her for standing up as so painfully few on the right have. What’s shocking is that so many on the right still fearfully pander to the ex-president, and that goes as well for “his base.”
The real tragedy is that she trails her Wyoming opponent Harriett Hageman by 28 to 56 percent. The good news is that she could be included in Biden's next administration.
Yes... that is why her stance on this is so important! Unlike the quislings who have sworn loyalty to a demented, malignant narcissist she has chosen to stand up for the very basis of the "Constitution". They want to do away with democracy... all voting unimportant and to be ignored by them.
As I watched her report the information last night, I started to wonder if she would’ve been the one to stand up to the trumplicans if she had not witnessed every dirty thing her father did. It has been surreal to have her be the one to stand up for truth and decency when I disagree with her (and her father) about so many things.
I too have complicated feelings about her. But I believe that she is her own person, as she has shown by standing up to the current leaders of the Republican Party. And I am very, very happy about that. And I celebrate that.
Yes, Maggie! She is playing a vital role in getting to the truth of what happened leading up to and on Jan. 6. She is doing what every politician should be doing. Country and Truth over personal gain. So rare. She, and everyone on the committee, deserves recognition for their contributions to educating the world rather than trying to sweep it under the rug and create an alternate reality.
A REAL HERO… but I still hate her dad!
A favorite comic strip of mine during the Bush-Cheney administration is just a drawing of the devil wearing a tee-shirt with the letters WWCD.
Amen, from a lifelong lefty!
yes she is.
i may disagree with her politics and despise her lineage but the fact that she stands for her country against her party makes her a hero in my eyes.
I rarely agree with her politics, but I have to admire her courage and steadfastness in defending basic democratic norms. In a party of spineless weasels and grubby little traitors, Cheney shines out like a beacon.
My thought exactly. A new member of the Profiles in Courage Club. ❤️🤍💙
Absolutely-and her statement will be read into the Congressional record for all posterity, as it should be. Heroine, when we need all those we can get.
Towards the end of her statement, she said, "... to my Republican colleagues who ae defending the indefensible, there will come a time when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain".
Oh yeah.
She is meeting her obligation to protect and defend the Constitution. The fact that she is being hailed as a hero for risking her political future by doing her job is a sad reflection of how accustomed we are to politicians whose only interest is their own election or re-election.
True that. But Cheney has put everything on the line. In a party that celebrates a Matt Gaetz, a Marjorie Taylor-Green, a Lauren Boebert, a Jim Jordan, a Josh Hawley, a Rick Scott and above all a Ron De Santis, and who have packed the Supreme Court with right-wing partisans who are determined to take our country back at least two centuries in the name of "originalism", I celebrate her determination to 'stop the steal' of the basic tenets of democracy. She will never be elected again in Wyoming.
IMHO she is no hero. While she correctly pointed out the horrors committed by her fellow Republicans, she has taken no responsibility for her, and even more, her father's responsibility for pushing the GOP over the far right cliff, making it easy for John J. Trump to claim the Presidency. When, and if, (and I don't expect it to ever happen), she admits Cheney culpability, I might admire her work on the committee. Until then, she is a hypocrite.
A hero is someone who rises to the occasion in extreme circumstances. Sainthood is not required. This is good, because many bona fide heroes would not qualify. Cheney may well have thrown her legislative career away in order to do the right thing, and IMO she's done it brilliantly. She also displayed considerable courage last year for acknowledging she was wrong to oppose same-sex marriage. (Her sister, Mary, married another woman in 2012.) that probably didn't go over well with Wyoming Republicans either.
I don't expect sainthood. But she and her father are culpable for the destruction of the GOP, going back decades, and for her to refuse to acknowledge that fact will continue to prevent my looking at her as heroic.
Perhaps she has inside info on the Republican Party splitting? She's perfectly positioned to lead.
She might be the only real leader the Republicans have got -- but at the moment I can't guess what a schismatic (sorry, I love that word!) GOP would look like. The relatively rational but still disgusting part has all the money, but they don't have anywhere near the numbers needed to win elections. The Trumpers have the numbers but they're nuts. According to Tim Alberta's fascinating story in the June _Atlantic,_ the Evangelical base has fissures of its own. I'm also wondering how the whole experience of being tossed out of the GOP and consorting closely with Democrats for many, many months will affect her thinking and her politics. She's very smart, and she's demonstrated that she's capable of change.
I read the Atlantic article with glee. I agree she is very smart, but I don't think her ultra conservative core will change.
That is a terrifying thought.
Exactly.
She is not responsible for her father's actions. He did his own evil from his own time. She has nothing to apologize for. Even I, who hated Bush and Cheney, recognize they are separate people.
She learned at her father's knee and espouses his same neocon beliefs. No she isn't responsible for her father's actions. But he taught her everything she knows and she was a willing student. She was elected to Congress as Dick Cheney's daughter.
There is that. Her father had no problem with helping to steal the White House for George W in 2000.
I think he was less of a player in that than the US Supreme Court, which ordered the case sent back to Florida, and then Florida kicked it back again-and they decided the whole thing for Bush.
That was not Cheney's fault.
For reference: https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court
Not Cheney's fault. It was Roger Stone's "Brook's Brother's" riot that upset the election and disrupted the count so it could be thrown to the Federalist Society's already skewed supreme court - but Cheney & the Bush Brothers knew it was corrupt (like a frat prank) and Cheney was complicit. Then he later made up a reason to invade Iraq when it was really all about oil. No saint.
And let add the Cheney’s company, Halliburton, secured government funds to construct a airplane landing strip in Iraq. These funds were approved without other companies competing.
Yup.
I think it’s Newt Gingrich who has been advising these Repub chumps to disrupt any real engaging processes with the Dems. He is the elephant in the room.
Cheney has been a force in the GOP since the Nixon administration. He is a neocon who has worked hard to push the GOP to the right.
And how INTERESTING that good ol' brother Jeb just happened to be the governor of the key state that finagled the election. What a coincidence there, eh?
None.
My sister asked me if I thought Liz would run for Prez. I told her it really depended on who she picked as a running mate. She and Bennie make a good team but I’d rather see him go for it.
John J. Trump? Omg, don’t tell me there’s another one. 😝
My bad. I don't know why I typed John J. I think even my fingers choke on Donald.
Lol. Nooooooo . . .
"I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible: there will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.”