Yes, the plot thickens but I guess I am simply old fashioned but to me THE crime Trump committed which he deserves to be prosecuted for is organizing , aiding and abetting the coup of 1.6 when he and his merry band of fascists conspired to steal an election and simply ignore the niceties and precedent of the Constitution. What was more than interesting was Pence's decision to fight DOJ's subpoena to testify before the grand jury. While it was not unexpected it is likely to throw a monkey wrench into Smith's supposed time line of having a 90 day time certain to issue any indictments. I do not want Trump prosecuted on a relatively minor crime like hiding some documents. I want him prosecuted for his role as the Don in an organized criminal conspiracy to steal my country from me.
Yes, but he was always going to be Al Caponed: Indicted on a black and white crime with clear and solid evidence going straight to jail, Do No Pass Go.
For once, Donald Trump has an adversaries who are not afraid of him and his vaunted money or power-both of which are diminished now. They know that, and so does he.
I just hope there are enough Grand Jurors who hate Donald Trump as much as most people do and indict him on every single case-I want as much shit thrown at him that he can't possibly ever get out from under it.
He's running out of lawyers and chances to escape justice-not only from the DOJ, but from Letitia James, Fannie Willis, and those people who are individually suing him like E. Jean Carroll.
The day he's indicted I'll raise a glass for it. I'll be dancing in the streets when he is convicted.
When Trump is frog marched out of Mierdalardo in cuffs I will believe he has been indicted. Until then it's all wishful thinking. That said, I don't think Trump is bright enough to understand the implications of any of the cases being pursued. I'm pretty sure he has scapegoats in place for everything from the documents to Georgia to Jan 6 to tax fraud in New York. That's how he has managed to avoid prison his whole life. Why would he think that it would be different now?
What is the plausible, legally relevant "scapegoat" to explain away the taped roughly one hours Trump spent on the phone with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger deploying threats and other exorting language to cause Raffensberger to "find 11,740 votes"?
The Trump tapes, I mean, his "perfect conversation" with Ukraine's President Zelensky already was the crux of Trump's first impeachment, why would the DoJ shrink from indicting for this (for federal election law violations)?
Agree. The media over focuses on the "11,740" to the exclusion of the other 59 plus minutes much like they do on the date 6Jan2021 rather than to find the date of origin for the plan to hold onto power including by a multilayer self-coup.
The other bad take by the media is continually claiming the voters rejected the elx deniers in the mid-terms by focusing on the smaller number of non-incumbents who lost rather than the much larger number of R Reps who voted not to certify the 2020 P-elx yet were reelected. Can't think of a single elx denying R House member who went down in defeat.
A courtroom is probable, especially in either Georgia or New York. Jail, I agree, is unlikely. If not inconceivable. The best we can hope for is home confinement at Mierdalardo.
He deserves nothing less than the Nazi criminals tried and found guilty at Nuremberg: He should be found guilty of treason, marched directly from the courtroom to the gallows, and there hanged by the neck until dead. Or maybe something less formal— like the way Saddam Hussein ended — would be appropriate for such a sordid and utterly evil excuse for a human being.
How many times do I have to say it: he'll never die.
But if he somehow did, the Kremlin would surely declare him a Hero of the Greater Eternal Soviet Empire, shoot him up with formaldehyde, and prop him up next to Lenin in the Red Square wall or wherever it is they exhihit their heros.
I remember reading that they finally took down the Lenin carcass at around the same time they were renaming the cities to their pre-revolutionary names.
Traitorous Confederates inc GOs still have monuments, statues, days of remembrance, streets named in their honor as well as US Mil bases in their name. And most of all the Lost Cause mentality lives on.
Hoping this one will finally flesh out. Why does it take so fucking long for a crime syndicate boss, involved and serving the Putin crime syndicate with his own crime syndicate so long to arrest and charge for treason, corruption, lying under oath as well as tax evasion and milking his own supporters for $$$ spent otherwise?
It is hard to believe after all this time that this obvious traitor will ever receive the punishment he deserves (firing squad, anyone?). However, with Lucian’s firm conviction (pun intended) that TFG is eventually headed for an orange jumpsuit, I will keep that bottle of champagne I bought around the time that Muller’s report was released (ouch, wince) and put it on ice when we get some definitive GOOD news. Here’s hoping!
Thanks for the concise summary of the documents business, and I particularly like your final sentence. I stopped holding my breath a while ago waiting for him to be indicted for something... because the possibilities are so many. Perhaps his cunning avoidance of accountability has finally run out, and I have a bottle of champagne on ice if it has, but the odds of him escaping justice still are on his side. He's been batting 1000 forever. I really want to see him indicted for sedition, and attempted election tampering in Georgia. I'm sure DeSatan has all his fingers crossed, good-luck charms polished, and drooling at the thought of *Rump being indicted. For entirely different reasons, so am I.
Neither Trump nor his older children can be involved in any charity in New York state because of the fraudulent use of donations to a children's cancer appeal.
Trump University, another example. His tax fraud case involving Trump businesses, another. It's only criminal cases that have heretofore remained unindicted, so if that ends, why should the judge not sentence him to prison time?
the thing I worry about most is how it'll be possible to get a jury together that's actually impartial. we already know his "people" have no problem with making veiled threats; if he's on trial, why would he NOT behave like the mob kingpin he thinks he is?
today, I'm really pleased with the fact that SOMEBODY'S going after Jared for his filthy Saudi connections. last year, I saw a Netflix documentary (it was part of a series called, if I remember correctly, "Dirty Money) about Jared's practices as a "landlord." he's a mean little prick.
Nice, it's "prima facie evidence," but you make all the key points showing Trump is up to his eyeballs in the predictable consequences of his own amoral scheming and arrogant mendacity! Huzzah!
Prosecuting that lying, criminal, traitor will be unprecedented so Garland and Smith better have whole flocks of ducks lined up perfectly. And Pence is hiding behind executive privilege instead of testifying against the scumbag who incited a mob threatening to lynch him? W. T. F?!
Let's, all of us here, get a bottle of champagne, or good bourbon ready now for the long overdue indictment of that dirty rotten scoundrel (that's putting it too kindly, but oh well). Then when the happy day FINALLY arrives we shall all gather here and raise our glasses in giddy happiness. Whaddaya say, people?
Yes, the plot thickens but I guess I am simply old fashioned but to me THE crime Trump committed which he deserves to be prosecuted for is organizing , aiding and abetting the coup of 1.6 when he and his merry band of fascists conspired to steal an election and simply ignore the niceties and precedent of the Constitution. What was more than interesting was Pence's decision to fight DOJ's subpoena to testify before the grand jury. While it was not unexpected it is likely to throw a monkey wrench into Smith's supposed time line of having a 90 day time certain to issue any indictments. I do not want Trump prosecuted on a relatively minor crime like hiding some documents. I want him prosecuted for his role as the Don in an organized criminal conspiracy to steal my country from me.
Yes, but he was always going to be Al Caponed: Indicted on a black and white crime with clear and solid evidence going straight to jail, Do No Pass Go.
I want to live long enough to see that slob in leg shackles being escorted into a federal prison.
He looks real good in orange. Well. good enough.
Moi aussi...
For once, Donald Trump has an adversaries who are not afraid of him and his vaunted money or power-both of which are diminished now. They know that, and so does he.
I just hope there are enough Grand Jurors who hate Donald Trump as much as most people do and indict him on every single case-I want as much shit thrown at him that he can't possibly ever get out from under it.
He's running out of lawyers and chances to escape justice-not only from the DOJ, but from Letitia James, Fannie Willis, and those people who are individually suing him like E. Jean Carroll.
The day he's indicted I'll raise a glass for it. I'll be dancing in the streets when he is convicted.
Me, too.
We danced in the streets when he lost the 2020 election - how glorious that was!
When Trump is frog marched out of Mierdalardo in cuffs I will believe he has been indicted. Until then it's all wishful thinking. That said, I don't think Trump is bright enough to understand the implications of any of the cases being pursued. I'm pretty sure he has scapegoats in place for everything from the documents to Georgia to Jan 6 to tax fraud in New York. That's how he has managed to avoid prison his whole life. Why would he think that it would be different now?
What is the plausible, legally relevant "scapegoat" to explain away the taped roughly one hours Trump spent on the phone with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger deploying threats and other exorting language to cause Raffensberger to "find 11,740 votes"?
The Trump tapes, I mean, his "perfect conversation" with Ukraine's President Zelensky already was the crux of Trump's first impeachment, why would the DoJ shrink from indicting for this (for federal election law violations)?
Agree. The media over focuses on the "11,740" to the exclusion of the other 59 plus minutes much like they do on the date 6Jan2021 rather than to find the date of origin for the plan to hold onto power including by a multilayer self-coup.
The other bad take by the media is continually claiming the voters rejected the elx deniers in the mid-terms by focusing on the smaller number of non-incumbents who lost rather than the much larger number of R Reps who voted not to certify the 2020 P-elx yet were reelected. Can't think of a single elx denying R House member who went down in defeat.
It won’t be any different now. Just watch him walk away free—he will never spend a nanosecond behind bars, or even in a courtroom.
A courtroom is probable, especially in either Georgia or New York. Jail, I agree, is unlikely. If not inconceivable. The best we can hope for is home confinement at Mierdalardo.
OUCH!
Sadly true.
Exactly
He deserves nothing less than the Nazi criminals tried and found guilty at Nuremberg: He should be found guilty of treason, marched directly from the courtroom to the gallows, and there hanged by the neck until dead. Or maybe something less formal— like the way Saddam Hussein ended — would be appropriate for such a sordid and utterly evil excuse for a human being.
How many times do I have to say it: he'll never die.
But if he somehow did, the Kremlin would surely declare him a Hero of the Greater Eternal Soviet Empire, shoot him up with formaldehyde, and prop him up next to Lenin in the Red Square wall or wherever it is they exhihit their heros.
Well, if he never dies and becomes a vampire, he will make Count Dracula look like a choirboy.
Maybe that's what the MAGAts like about him, Susan. Next to him, even they individually look good.
Excellent point, I think you're on to something.
I remember reading that they finally took down the Lenin carcass at around the same time they were renaming the cities to their pre-revolutionary names.
That does ring a bell, David. Well, djt would demand exclusive honors anyway.
Traitorous Confederates inc GOs still have monuments, statues, days of remembrance, streets named in their honor as well as US Mil bases in their name. And most of all the Lost Cause mentality lives on.
How about death by stoning?
Hoping this one will finally flesh out. Why does it take so fucking long for a crime syndicate boss, involved and serving the Putin crime syndicate with his own crime syndicate so long to arrest and charge for treason, corruption, lying under oath as well as tax evasion and milking his own supporters for $$$ spent otherwise?
It is hard to believe after all this time that this obvious traitor will ever receive the punishment he deserves (firing squad, anyone?). However, with Lucian’s firm conviction (pun intended) that TFG is eventually headed for an orange jumpsuit, I will keep that bottle of champagne I bought around the time that Muller’s report was released (ouch, wince) and put it on ice when we get some definitive GOOD news. Here’s hoping!
I am at a loss to decide whose visage and resume scares me more. Jack Smith or Fani Willis?
Extraordinarily serious people. Frighteningly serious prosecutors.
It's no wonder Trump's posts to his social media platform are increasingly unhinged.
'Increasingly?', you scoff.
Yes. See: Guillotines, hangings and firing squads for televised mass executions.
actually, you don't really have to choose...
We will choose for you.
What did you dream?
It's alright we told you what to dream.
Thanks for the concise summary of the documents business, and I particularly like your final sentence. I stopped holding my breath a while ago waiting for him to be indicted for something... because the possibilities are so many. Perhaps his cunning avoidance of accountability has finally run out, and I have a bottle of champagne on ice if it has, but the odds of him escaping justice still are on his side. He's been batting 1000 forever. I really want to see him indicted for sedition, and attempted election tampering in Georgia. I'm sure DeSatan has all his fingers crossed, good-luck charms polished, and drooling at the thought of *Rump being indicted. For entirely different reasons, so am I.
Neither Trump nor his older children can be involved in any charity in New York state because of the fraudulent use of donations to a children's cancer appeal.
Trump University, another example. His tax fraud case involving Trump businesses, another. It's only criminal cases that have heretofore remained unindicted, so if that ends, why should the judge not sentence him to prison time?
the thing I worry about most is how it'll be possible to get a jury together that's actually impartial. we already know his "people" have no problem with making veiled threats; if he's on trial, why would he NOT behave like the mob kingpin he thinks he is?
today, I'm really pleased with the fact that SOMEBODY'S going after Jared for his filthy Saudi connections. last year, I saw a Netflix documentary (it was part of a series called, if I remember correctly, "Dirty Money) about Jared's practices as a "landlord." he's a mean little prick.
Poor Jared
you watched it, dintcha?
I wanna see him in orange and I hope it doesn't come in his size, just so I can see a lot of pencil arms where the sleeves are WAY too short.
Nice, it's "prima facie evidence," but you make all the key points showing Trump is up to his eyeballs in the predictable consequences of his own amoral scheming and arrogant mendacity! Huzzah!
"Folks, Donald Trump is going to be indicted. Bank on it. "
From your lips to God's ears.
Prosecuting that lying, criminal, traitor will be unprecedented so Garland and Smith better have whole flocks of ducks lined up perfectly. And Pence is hiding behind executive privilege instead of testifying against the scumbag who incited a mob threatening to lynch him? W. T. F?!
Pretty well lined up, I'd say.
https://mobile.twitter.com/pharnzwurth/status/1625254336430497792?cxt=HHwWgIDTiaiNiI4tAAAA
when Pence gets all sanctimonious about what he considers "the separation of powers" or "setting a bad precedent" he looks like a Pouter Pigeon.
he also looks MUCH older than his age. I gloat.
tDuMp not getting prosecuted for attempting a soft coup is the "bad precedent" he should be worried about setting. Sock Puppet.
A lovely last sentence. May it happen!
Let's, all of us here, get a bottle of champagne, or good bourbon ready now for the long overdue indictment of that dirty rotten scoundrel (that's putting it too kindly, but oh well). Then when the happy day FINALLY arrives we shall all gather here and raise our glasses in giddy happiness. Whaddaya say, people?
I’m in! We could have a set time, like 9:00 pm Eastern, and we’ll all raise our glasses in unison on Celebration Day.
Excellent suggestion.
Irish Mist with a shot of Bailey's might be my drink.
That sounds good too! Any drink would do for such a special occasion.
From your lips to God's ear!
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU!!!!!!