I don’t have the strength to wade into these turbulent waters dear Lucian but I thank my lucky stars that you do. Reading the news stories, it’s impossible for this tired old gal to make sense of the overall import. I was worried that this grand jury ONLY came up with perjury after all their work, and that depressed me, as awful as lying to a GJ certainly is. Now I see there are still more charges that prosecutors may still make against these scheming dingbats.
I read this article and in it they said Fani received criticism for her ambitious work with Rico. Made me laugh because whoever made those statements are jealous that this brilliant lead prosecutor is smarter than they are and she’s a black woman.
As a court reporter in New Orleans for 30 years, I did take grand jury testimony, and you are right to emphasize their high-level hatred of witnesses who lie. We see it all the time as well that a lot of people get off from the other charges but not the lying, and the punishment can be pretty severe. "To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth under penalty of perjury." A lot of folks thinks all this has been agonizingly slow but actually it's been moving pretty steadily and unless some Gaetz-like pass comes, we should see a lot of people in a whole lot of trouble fairly soon now. Let's hope that "perfect phone call" guy finally isn't able to buy his way out, intimidate his way out, empty the pockets of anyone who sues him days not working with much, deeper pockets for sure than his own. The most gratifying thing of all to all of us is a case loaded with evidence that all avenues to refute by these criminals will fall into a dark hole. I am looking forward to this.
This recap of the events as one cohesive narrative is excellent. It makes me think, if you play dodgeball too long, and your opponents are pissed, you're gonna get hit, and hard. Wonderful Lucian, thanks.
Can’t wait to at least hear who the lying liars who lied in Georgia are. Also, it sounds like the fake elector scheme is a third threat to Trump in addition to the January 6th involvement and the purloined documents.
I’ll be more than happy to see some of the minions getting their indictments ahead of Individual-1. I’m optimistic that his time is coming. I just keep John Gotti in mind. Teflon Don 😂
Yes, yes, yes. Bankrupt the Republican Party, which is filled with liars, sycophants, cynics, and people hungry for power who want only power, who don't know how to govern, Despicable human beings. Bankrupt them.
Unfortunately their bankrollers are richer than Croesus, or Midas, or J. D. Rockefeller. Gotta wonder if they'll ever get sick of pissing their money away.
I have this awful nagging feeling that things will move so slowly that we will reach that tipping point whereby it is claimed to be too close to an election to move forward with a trial of the candidate tRump. We will then be forced to wait until after the 2024 election, and who knows what nefarious goings on will happen then. tRump will likely die of old age before he faces justice for his immense trove of crimes.
The moment of truth is coming. Mr. Trump will spend several years in courtrooms in several different venues. An absolute hell will swallow him up. Does he have a glimmer of what's coming?
I was just thinking about this whole bag of worms today, and the odd thought came to me out of the blue.
Donald Trump is a noted misogynist and racist. He's never been shy about it.
Is isn't rather amusing to watch him being taken down by 2 Black female prosecutors, Fani Willis and Letitia James? They are going to be partly responsible for putting him and so many of his special friends into prison for their crimes. Nearly every one of his friends and lawyers are white male Republicans who are also facing dire legal consequences. Whether or not they're racist is up for contention, but I would wager a good guess that they more than likely are.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is pure poetic karmic justice, riding triumphantly onto the stage.
I bet that fact alone is making Trump crazy-he's being brought down by the very people he hates so much.
The last thing any Republican bigshot wants is to have to testify under oath before a grand jury. These guys are so into spinning make-believe and outright lying that they're going to have a terrible time just separating truth from fiction in their own minds, especially with having to testify about what other people did; and under the sharp questioning of experienced prosecutors, a goodly number of them are going to blurt out some version of the truth. They're going to be faced with documents that contradict the made-up stories they been primed by other people to tell, and when they are confronted by the inconsistencies in their own story, the real story is going to come out, drip by drip. In game theory, the one called The Prisoner's Dilemma, the prisoners being interviewed are supposed to be in cahoots with one another and sticking to the same story, but in reality, that supposes solidarity breaks down readily, and the prisoners quickly realize that the first to cut a deal with the prosecutor is the one that gets the least punishment. In a grand jury proceeding, where witnesses face jail time if they don't testify (because they've been immunized), there is no incentive at all to hang tough. The choices before them are stark: tell the prosecutor what they want to know, or go to jail. As more witnesses testify, the prosecutors get the storyboard their testimonies, looking for obvious fabrications, including the obvious fall back that the witness 'can't remember'. As we've seen with the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson before the January 6 committee, a lawyer who counsels a client to claim failed memory is suborning perjury. Someone claiming failed memory is likely to be confronted with the testimony of others who testified truthfully about particular events, and in the give-and-take between the prosecutor and the witness, the witness will be invited to revise his testimony according to what he actually remembers. That's an opportunity not to be wasted, especially if the alternative is going to be jail time. One way or another, the stories will always come out, always.
Not only is making a false statement a crime, submitting such a statement is either mail fraud or wire fraud, depending on the means(and yes, mail fraud includes FedEx, et al). Mail fraud is the Queen mother of white collar crimes, carrying sentences of up to 20 years.
These guys are like little lawnmower engines trying to be jet turbines. Puffed up by their sense of self importance and thinking they are potent players.
Thank you for putting the myriad bits and pieces together so succinctly. The coherent picture gives me hope.
I hope, beyond hope, that SOMEONE can resist/defend against the GOP crime syndicate to bring tRump to justice--and his cockroach minions, too.
I don’t have the strength to wade into these turbulent waters dear Lucian but I thank my lucky stars that you do. Reading the news stories, it’s impossible for this tired old gal to make sense of the overall import. I was worried that this grand jury ONLY came up with perjury after all their work, and that depressed me, as awful as lying to a GJ certainly is. Now I see there are still more charges that prosecutors may still make against these scheming dingbats.
Lorraine, Trump is going to be charged with racketeering in all probabilty, let that give you some energy!
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/24/donald-trump-georgia-racketeering-rico-law-fani-willis
I read this article and in it they said Fani received criticism for her ambitious work with Rico. Made me laugh because whoever made those statements are jealous that this brilliant lead prosecutor is smarter than they are and she’s a black woman.
Exactly, and she is well placed to deal with the likes of Trump aka "Herr Gropenfuehrer" and his exceeding sleazy lawyers in Brooks Brothers suits!
Talk about the right woman in the right place at *exactly* the right time!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdoeRpTfHg
LILY, ROSEMARY AND THE JACK OF HEARTS
Even a confused set of events can work out well.
Even if it is a convoluted series of events, sure, why not? A poetic justice as well.
Wahoo!!! Thank you for the link.
As a court reporter in New Orleans for 30 years, I did take grand jury testimony, and you are right to emphasize their high-level hatred of witnesses who lie. We see it all the time as well that a lot of people get off from the other charges but not the lying, and the punishment can be pretty severe. "To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth under penalty of perjury." A lot of folks thinks all this has been agonizingly slow but actually it's been moving pretty steadily and unless some Gaetz-like pass comes, we should see a lot of people in a whole lot of trouble fairly soon now. Let's hope that "perfect phone call" guy finally isn't able to buy his way out, intimidate his way out, empty the pockets of anyone who sues him days not working with much, deeper pockets for sure than his own. The most gratifying thing of all to all of us is a case loaded with evidence that all avenues to refute by these criminals will fall into a dark hole. I am looking forward to this.
Thank you for your reassurance based on your expertise.
This recap of the events as one cohesive narrative is excellent. It makes me think, if you play dodgeball too long, and your opponents are pissed, you're gonna get hit, and hard. Wonderful Lucian, thanks.
Love that "dodgeball" imagery!
Thanks for the deep, deep dive Lucian.
Can’t wait to at least hear who the lying liars who lied in Georgia are. Also, it sounds like the fake elector scheme is a third threat to Trump in addition to the January 6th involvement and the purloined documents.
I’ll be more than happy to see some of the minions getting their indictments ahead of Individual-1. I’m optimistic that his time is coming. I just keep John Gotti in mind. Teflon Don 😂
Yes, yes, yes. Bankrupt the Republican Party, which is filled with liars, sycophants, cynics, and people hungry for power who want only power, who don't know how to govern, Despicable human beings. Bankrupt them.
Unfortunately their bankrollers are richer than Croesus, or Midas, or J. D. Rockefeller. Gotta wonder if they'll ever get sick of pissing their money away.
I have this awful nagging feeling that things will move so slowly that we will reach that tipping point whereby it is claimed to be too close to an election to move forward with a trial of the candidate tRump. We will then be forced to wait until after the 2024 election, and who knows what nefarious goings on will happen then. tRump will likely die of old age before he faces justice for his immense trove of crimes.
I'm pretty sure that will only happen at Milquetoast's DOJ. The GA and NY DOJs are not bound by that ridiculousness.
I want him to die in prison, not in his comfy bed in Merde-a-Lardo.
Thanks for the update! Well-written as always.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY9RS1x8iHE
Hoagy Carmichael, Georgia on My Mind
The moment of truth is coming. Mr. Trump will spend several years in courtrooms in several different venues. An absolute hell will swallow him up. Does he have a glimmer of what's coming?
Actually, he does, which is why he's got 10,000 lawyers furiously going into court and trying to stop the proceedings from happening.
Problem is, they're failing, and they themselves are now mired in the same manure he is.
Everything Trump touches dies.
I can’t believe he can still find lawyers willing to represent him as he has facilitated the disbarment of so many lawyers already.
And stiffs them when the bill is presented.
The Corruptor - corrupts everything and everyone.
Merdes touche.
(Touche de merde.)
8D
I was just thinking about this whole bag of worms today, and the odd thought came to me out of the blue.
Donald Trump is a noted misogynist and racist. He's never been shy about it.
Is isn't rather amusing to watch him being taken down by 2 Black female prosecutors, Fani Willis and Letitia James? They are going to be partly responsible for putting him and so many of his special friends into prison for their crimes. Nearly every one of his friends and lawyers are white male Republicans who are also facing dire legal consequences. Whether or not they're racist is up for contention, but I would wager a good guess that they more than likely are.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is pure poetic karmic justice, riding triumphantly onto the stage.
I bet that fact alone is making Trump crazy-he's being brought down by the very people he hates so much.
And it pleases me beyond all telling.
Go, ladies!
The last thing any Republican bigshot wants is to have to testify under oath before a grand jury. These guys are so into spinning make-believe and outright lying that they're going to have a terrible time just separating truth from fiction in their own minds, especially with having to testify about what other people did; and under the sharp questioning of experienced prosecutors, a goodly number of them are going to blurt out some version of the truth. They're going to be faced with documents that contradict the made-up stories they been primed by other people to tell, and when they are confronted by the inconsistencies in their own story, the real story is going to come out, drip by drip. In game theory, the one called The Prisoner's Dilemma, the prisoners being interviewed are supposed to be in cahoots with one another and sticking to the same story, but in reality, that supposes solidarity breaks down readily, and the prisoners quickly realize that the first to cut a deal with the prosecutor is the one that gets the least punishment. In a grand jury proceeding, where witnesses face jail time if they don't testify (because they've been immunized), there is no incentive at all to hang tough. The choices before them are stark: tell the prosecutor what they want to know, or go to jail. As more witnesses testify, the prosecutors get the storyboard their testimonies, looking for obvious fabrications, including the obvious fall back that the witness 'can't remember'. As we've seen with the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson before the January 6 committee, a lawyer who counsels a client to claim failed memory is suborning perjury. Someone claiming failed memory is likely to be confronted with the testimony of others who testified truthfully about particular events, and in the give-and-take between the prosecutor and the witness, the witness will be invited to revise his testimony according to what he actually remembers. That's an opportunity not to be wasted, especially if the alternative is going to be jail time. One way or another, the stories will always come out, always.
I wonder if Vegas has an over under on the number of witnesses who perjured themselves? My guess is three.
More, if you're factoring in more jurisdictions than Georgia.
Not only is making a false statement a crime, submitting such a statement is either mail fraud or wire fraud, depending on the means(and yes, mail fraud includes FedEx, et al). Mail fraud is the Queen mother of white collar crimes, carrying sentences of up to 20 years.
These guys are like little lawnmower engines trying to be jet turbines. Puffed up by their sense of self importance and thinking they are potent players.