Listen, if there is one thing you could accuse me of being libertarian about over the years, it was the right to do some partying. Hell, I can even remember the very first time I heard the Beastie Boys’ anthem, “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party!) at a roller rink in Biloxi, Mississippi. I had taken my girlfriend’s younger brother to see a skate punk band he was a fan of, and the band played a cover of the Beastie Boys song, which was just then hitting the charts, playing on the radio about every fifteen minutes, and in regular rotation on MTV.
Ms. Schillinger & some of her blood relatives sound like awful people, but at least she's straight. Living in Ziegler country, as I do, I'm up to date with the creepy couple. It has been suggested that Mrs. Ziegler, like the wife in many threesomes, tilts toward gay. Fine by me, but don't go to extreme lengths to stick it to gay people.
I have an update to this: "She and her husband had been engaged in three-way sex with a woman who ended up charging Mr. Ziegler with rape, charges which have been suspended while a police investigation continues into the couple." The rape charge has been dropped, but there remains a voyeurism charge having to do with his telephone. In any case, it is somewhat gratifying that all these hypocrites are Republicans. I'm starting to think all terrible people are.
In my small county, Caldwell County TX, the local swingers group was set in motion by a couple of Republicans who moved here from CA. There have been two divorces thus far and one on the way. The primary instigators have been working to worm their way into local control via school board and local theater. They remain GOP. The woman stalks men in the community via social media and posts semi-nude pics with her children. This seems to be a GOP "thing."
(1) Hmmm, rape charge suspended and/or dropped? Since there's an actual Catch-22, then it follows there must be a corollary, Release-22, no?
(2) "tilts toward gay" Keep in mind a person who engages in sex with the same gender doesn't make iithah person 2spirit. Based on what is known, niithah woman is 2spirit. Seems more like Mrs. Zeigler is acting on her sexual desires and/or fantasies of self and of her spouse. Perhaps she is bi-sexual yet one cannot deduce that from what's known. Hopefully no other information comes forward because carnal matters (other than those involving minors or force) should be off the table.
(3) Ms. Schillinger. This matter doesn't feel as if it was the 1st PAH-TEE involving alcohol and minors however remains a feel, rather than knowing. Do suspect the authorities will approach it as if it wasn't the first. Schillingers are fortunate no minor drove under the influence and then hurt other people or animals. Does indicate they are high-risk folk who don't think about the unintended consequences of their actions and the orders of effect on others. Said another way, they are reckless and irresponsible people and parents.
As long as these MAGA hypocrites leave everyone else alone and stops hurting other people with cruelty and ignorance, I don’t care what they are doing in their private lives. It’s completely insane and anti-social for these liars to promote themselves as religious and then try to control other’s privacy, lives and rights. I have so much hate for what these evil morons are DOING and SAYING. Having said that about my feelings, I remain a firm believer in ‘Do No Harm’.
When confronted with the hypocrisy of supporting someone with an 18 wheeler's worth of unethical, immoral and illegal behavior like the melonfelon trucks around the christofascists will come back with "the Lord works in mysterious ways". But that's just the religious version of "the ends justify the means". The oldest excuse for bad behavior there is.
The common thread: They're shameless! No codes apply to them! I've written about this before, but Ghislaine Maxwell, who I scarcely knew, came over to me at a party, with my wife a foot or two away, and said, "Lose 10 pounds and I'll f--- you." I sputtered. Later, I realized what I might have said: "Ok if I bring my wife?" Why didn't I think of it on the spot? Because, in the end, I was a middle-class kid from the suburbs, not an elitist who was beyond conventions and rules.
Those were the days! Working as an au pair for a divorced advertising exec, his mother and his two young sons.
The night before l arrived there was a wild party with a Jewish pimp and his galley slaves. They left a copy of the New Yorker Magazine with a cover story about the Rabbi’s Son. True to form, the dude was singing Hebrew prayers in the shower.
Seriously. The job didn’t last long since l was filling in for another actress l had performed with in a staged anti-war protest at Saint John the Divine.
Classless MAGAts descending into lawlessness. The tendency was always there but tffg made it 'respectable'. He and his remora are tearing apart the social and moral fabric of the country. He cannot be returned to power to inflict more damage...
What is baffling is that these adult people go about doing things that are immature, immoral, stupid, and bound to come out. It is one thing to "party" as a young person; quite another to behave
that way after becoming a parent. It is one thing to live a "libertine" type life; another to present as a religious, moral leader intent on judging and controlling everything and everyone. The Falwells come to mind. I, too, "partied" when young, but got serious after becoming a mother. When my daughters were growing up, I tried to ensure that their friends had trustworthy parents. The mothers had an informal network which kept everyone informed about which homes were safe. The people described in Lucian's newsletter were not running homes where children were safe physically, morally, or spiritually. But, that's just me.
It seems that those who want to restrict other people's lives the most want no restrictions placed on their own lives. But speaking of partying, four of us in the nursing home decided to break out one night and crash a frat party at the local college: This was the result :) https://youtu.be/IDTS7zoI5pw
I don't mind a bit if people "party". Do your thing but don't lie about it and don't ruin other's lives because you are f*^*@d up psychologically. Get help.
I never imagined I could be even more infuriated by the imbeciles in this wretched pit of our nation, but you have managed to exceed my expectations. What an absolute inferno of depravity! May the heavens have mercy on us.
Hmm reminds me of the 70s except for the rampant hypocrisy, can't say it really seems that "depraved," just phony in the context of their wingnut politics.
Yes! Gloria, having read other comments of yours on EJ's site, I also figured you were adding a bit of hyperbole to hammer home the truth that in the wider context, it really IS (at least on the edge of being) "utterly depraved," the legal boilerplate usually has it as "depraved indifference to human life," which isn't right, but maybe "depraved indifference to their own integrity, self-respect, and to the persons who in good faith listen to their other views and assume those views are sincere and not hypocritical as hell!" etc. etc.
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Hypocrisy, with an emphasis on the hypo. Naturally, I opened another tab and looked at photos of attractive 37-year-old mom Clarice Schillinger (since we're objectifying here, compare Schillinger in the tight red dress with photos of 37-year-old mom Lauren Boebert at her famous groping theater date). Where, oh where, is the close-up video of the judge's face when the teenage boy testified that Schillinger sat in his lap and proclaimed that he was "her favorite." Talk about a positive Yelp (and I do mean "yelp!") review. Of *course* the lad had to get to the bathroom. Her "favorite" needed immediate attention. Has anyone asked Gary Hart what he thinks about all this?
Ms. Schillinger & some of her blood relatives sound like awful people, but at least she's straight. Living in Ziegler country, as I do, I'm up to date with the creepy couple. It has been suggested that Mrs. Ziegler, like the wife in many threesomes, tilts toward gay. Fine by me, but don't go to extreme lengths to stick it to gay people.
I have an update to this: "She and her husband had been engaged in three-way sex with a woman who ended up charging Mr. Ziegler with rape, charges which have been suspended while a police investigation continues into the couple." The rape charge has been dropped, but there remains a voyeurism charge having to do with his telephone. In any case, it is somewhat gratifying that all these hypocrites are Republicans. I'm starting to think all terrible people are.
In my small county, Caldwell County TX, the local swingers group was set in motion by a couple of Republicans who moved here from CA. There have been two divorces thus far and one on the way. The primary instigators have been working to worm their way into local control via school board and local theater. They remain GOP. The woman stalks men in the community via social media and posts semi-nude pics with her children. This seems to be a GOP "thing."
There is something seriously wrong with pimping your children. I hope you vote Blue.
Absolutely!
I hope some of those pix have been forwarded to the appropriate Fed agencies!
If it's any comfort, you're right.
(1) Hmmm, rape charge suspended and/or dropped? Since there's an actual Catch-22, then it follows there must be a corollary, Release-22, no?
(2) "tilts toward gay" Keep in mind a person who engages in sex with the same gender doesn't make iithah person 2spirit. Based on what is known, niithah woman is 2spirit. Seems more like Mrs. Zeigler is acting on her sexual desires and/or fantasies of self and of her spouse. Perhaps she is bi-sexual yet one cannot deduce that from what's known. Hopefully no other information comes forward because carnal matters (other than those involving minors or force) should be off the table.
(3) Ms. Schillinger. This matter doesn't feel as if it was the 1st PAH-TEE involving alcohol and minors however remains a feel, rather than knowing. Do suspect the authorities will approach it as if it wasn't the first. Schillingers are fortunate no minor drove under the influence and then hurt other people or animals. Does indicate they are high-risk folk who don't think about the unintended consequences of their actions and the orders of effect on others. Said another way, they are reckless and irresponsible people and parents.
As long as these MAGA hypocrites leave everyone else alone and stops hurting other people with cruelty and ignorance, I don’t care what they are doing in their private lives. It’s completely insane and anti-social for these liars to promote themselves as religious and then try to control other’s privacy, lives and rights. I have so much hate for what these evil morons are DOING and SAYING. Having said that about my feelings, I remain a firm believer in ‘Do No Harm’.
"Do no harm" is from the Hippocratic Oath and is meant for physicians, but I take your point.
As for harm to some politicians (just the crazy, power mad ones) I am agnostic.
I have been practicing this philosophy to the best of my ability in all spheres of life. Coincidentally, I am a doctor. 🌸
I suspect you were introduced to this philosophy when you became a doctor.
I probably know where it came from because my husband is a doc.
When confronted with the hypocrisy of supporting someone with an 18 wheeler's worth of unethical, immoral and illegal behavior like the melonfelon trucks around the christofascists will come back with "the Lord works in mysterious ways". But that's just the religious version of "the ends justify the means". The oldest excuse for bad behavior there is.
I apologize, but I just gotta: which "ends" you talking about, and which "means." [Insert, and I do mean insert, smiling emoji here...or wherever.]
One example would be embracing tDuMp (means) in order to get abortion banned (ends)
The common thread: They're shameless! No codes apply to them! I've written about this before, but Ghislaine Maxwell, who I scarcely knew, came over to me at a party, with my wife a foot or two away, and said, "Lose 10 pounds and I'll f--- you." I sputtered. Later, I realized what I might have said: "Ok if I bring my wife?" Why didn't I think of it on the spot? Because, in the end, I was a middle-class kid from the suburbs, not an elitist who was beyond conventions and rules.
How charming was Ms. Maxwell's invitation. An unusual come-on, to be sure.
Not so unusual. I heard that line from men far too many times.
Generally, I'd say "thanks for the warning."
With losing a few pounds part of the declaration?!
Yep. And none of these men were going to give Adonis a run for the money.
Wow.
She knew I knew Epstein. And I was then a star writer at Vanity Fair. Ghislaine thought I was one of them.
Those were the days! Working as an au pair for a divorced advertising exec, his mother and his two young sons.
The night before l arrived there was a wild party with a Jewish pimp and his galley slaves. They left a copy of the New Yorker Magazine with a cover story about the Rabbi’s Son. True to form, the dude was singing Hebrew prayers in the shower.
Seriously. The job didn’t last long since l was filling in for another actress l had performed with in a staged anti-war protest at Saint John the Divine.
HA! That answer might’ve made her sputter! :)
But Jesse, did you then start a diet and walking more, if not going to a gym?
No. Well, yes, I did later, long after G. had faded, even as a fantasy.
After absorbing all that, am grateful to have been born and lived as an uncivilized,, merciless indian savage.
Classless MAGAts descending into lawlessness. The tendency was always there but tffg made it 'respectable'. He and his remora are tearing apart the social and moral fabric of the country. He cannot be returned to power to inflict more damage...
What is baffling is that these adult people go about doing things that are immature, immoral, stupid, and bound to come out. It is one thing to "party" as a young person; quite another to behave
that way after becoming a parent. It is one thing to live a "libertine" type life; another to present as a religious, moral leader intent on judging and controlling everything and everyone. The Falwells come to mind. I, too, "partied" when young, but got serious after becoming a mother. When my daughters were growing up, I tried to ensure that their friends had trustworthy parents. The mothers had an informal network which kept everyone informed about which homes were safe. The people described in Lucian's newsletter were not running homes where children were safe physically, morally, or spiritually. But, that's just me.
It seems that those who want to restrict other people's lives the most want no restrictions placed on their own lives. But speaking of partying, four of us in the nursing home decided to break out one night and crash a frat party at the local college: This was the result :) https://youtu.be/IDTS7zoI5pw
LOL I like the beat, too.
I don't mind a bit if people "party". Do your thing but don't lie about it and don't ruin other's lives because you are f*^*@d up psychologically. Get help.
Surprise surprise, Gomer!
But seriously, "consensual" and "among adults" has to be the key concepts and these people seem very confused about both applications.
I feel so…dull!
I know what you mean. Straight and monogamous. Bor-ing.
Nah, we had our wild time and now we're sober, law-abiding citizens. It's all good. No one is boring if they have conversational skills.
😆
Wonderfully boring!
Feels good, doesn't it?
I did my fair share of early 70s wild parties, but never had a parent lapdance on me or a grownup ask for a threeway.
Moms for Threeways, er, Libertines, er, (not your) Liberty
I never imagined I could be even more infuriated by the imbeciles in this wretched pit of our nation, but you have managed to exceed my expectations. What an absolute inferno of depravity! May the heavens have mercy on us.
Hmm reminds me of the 70s except for the rampant hypocrisy, can't say it really seems that "depraved," just phony in the context of their wingnut politics.
I am weary of the conspiracy nutballs and the “oh nothing bad is gonna happen” numbskulls as well.
Yes! Gloria, having read other comments of yours on EJ's site, I also figured you were adding a bit of hyperbole to hammer home the truth that in the wider context, it really IS (at least on the edge of being) "utterly depraved," the legal boilerplate usually has it as "depraved indifference to human life," which isn't right, but maybe "depraved indifference to their own integrity, self-respect, and to the persons who in good faith listen to their other views and assume those views are sincere and not hypocritical as hell!" etc. etc.
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Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.
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Timothy David Snyder (born August 18, 1969) is an American historian specializing in the history of Central and Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union, and the Holocaust. He is the Richard C. Levin Professor of History at Yale University and a permanent fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences in Vienna.[2][3]
He has written several books, including Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin and On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century. The Road to Unfreedom, and Our Malady. Several of them have been described as best-sellers.[4][5]
Snyder serves on the Committee on Conscience of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. *******
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THANK YOU! For this wonderful post.
Why am I suddenly thinking of Caligula?
Hypocrisy, with an emphasis on the hypo. Naturally, I opened another tab and looked at photos of attractive 37-year-old mom Clarice Schillinger (since we're objectifying here, compare Schillinger in the tight red dress with photos of 37-year-old mom Lauren Boebert at her famous groping theater date). Where, oh where, is the close-up video of the judge's face when the teenage boy testified that Schillinger sat in his lap and proclaimed that he was "her favorite." Talk about a positive Yelp (and I do mean "yelp!") review. Of *course* the lad had to get to the bathroom. Her "favorite" needed immediate attention. Has anyone asked Gary Hart what he thinks about all this?
dern drag queens
I'm a little confused, politics and morality?