Do you have any idea what happened in Salem in 1692–93? If transported to Salem in 1692, McCarthy would almost certainly be one of the persecutors, not one of their innocent targets.
Thanks Susanna. Didn't know that. I thought Salem was in England?
Great resume U have.
Mine not so great.
Went to one room country school. Two outhouses and a horse barn. Graduated last in my high school class of 1958.
Failed Dumbell English at junior College. Tossed out of University first semester. Told to get a job. Picked lettuce and grapes but finally got a job being a cop.
Finally graduated from the world wide school of Mean Streets.
If you're 82 and still willing to learn, you're doing great. Me, I grew up in and have lived most of my life in *New* England, Massachusetts to be exact, so the Salem witch trials are part of my local history, and not one of its more commendable parts either. That's where the term "witchhunt" came from. Arthur Miller's play THE CRUCIBLE, based on the Salem trials (or "witch craze" as it's sometimes called), was produced in 1953 -- it was intended to draw a connection between what happened in Salem with Sen. Joe McCarthy's persecution of anyone he thought was too liberal. Unfortunately, the play hasn't gone out of date.
This is likely another step towards another coup attempt by the Rethugs. Once that video record has been released to Murdoch’s brownshirts there’s no limit to where parts of it will wind up. And there won’t be any real way to trace the dissemination. It will be copied and copied and copied, sold to the highest bidders, and every militia group will know where the cameras are. If this doesn’t give aid and comfort to the enemy then I don’t know what does.
If the past two years has taught us anything, it is that documents generated by a federal government agency belong to the United States Government, and they properly belong to the National Archives. It looks to me that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has gotten his nose up over his skis by effectively giving away highly sensitive video recordings of the January 6 insurrection. The National Archives is not a lending library. Kevin McCarthy is not Congress' Chief Librarian, neither is he Custodian in Chief charged with taking out the trash, and deciding which piece of government property is worth keeping, and which is not; and this is not a yard sale for excess government property. AG Merrick Garland needs to get his ass in gear and go to federal court to retrieve those video recordings, and require 'Tucker, Tucker, motherfucker' Carlson to return whatever he has illicitly gotten from Kevin McCarthy. This is not a separation of powers issue. The statutes are clear that all of these recordings are governmental records, every motherfucking one of them. We've been through this with Trump until it's coming out of our ears. These may not be presidential records, but they are certainly relevant to any upcoming trials that are on the horizon. I would not feel the least bit badly about arresting Tucker Carlson and charging him with theft of government property. Let him go to court and try to convince the judge that Kevin 'Cowardly Weasel' McCarthy has authority as Speaker of the House to appropriate and then give away government property that may be relevant evidence in a criminal trial, especially against a traitorous propaganda organ like Fox News. If I were in the United States Attorney's office for the District of Columbia, I'd be at the door of the courthouse clerk the minute it opened tomorrow morning with a Summons and Complaint requesting a preliminary injunction against Carlson, Fox news, and One Hundred John Doe defendants, demanding the return of any and all government-owned property relinquished to them by said Cowardly Weasel McCarthy. I would also be convening a federal grand jury looking into the theft of those video recordings, and looking to indict anyone coming into possession of that stolen property. By now, everyone in TrumpWorld should know that this is not theirs to keep, or to have in their possession for any purpose. I always knew that Kevin McCarthy was criminally stupid; but to be caught engaging in this kind of thievery so publicly — that requires a special kind of stupid that is way below the bar, even in Bakersfield, California!
I hope to god that your speculations about trying to salvage whatever can be salvaged in this insane situation are dead-on, Arthur. it seems to me, as I've already posted, that McCarthy broke enough laws to justify, at the very least, a grand jury.
even if this happens, however, it won't undo the harm that's already been done by Fox possessing those tapes for even a few minutes.
This has already been litigated up the gazoo, and Trump lost every time. Now comes that turncoat Kevin McCarthy, and he's done the same thing. I want to see McCarthy shackled in handcuffs and frog-marched into detention. I'd make sure each tape segment would be a separate felony indictment count.
I'd really like to see these thoughts more widely circulated, Arthur—maybe get some momentum rolling toward a real remedy. How about op-ed pages of print publications? If you haven't, could you post them to forums of other Substacks you subscribe to? It's probably too late to make a dent in Robert Reich's (hundreds of comments daily), but this issue is his subject today: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/a-second-attempted-coup The resident retired legal eagle there is Daniel Solomon (which I've long hoped is an inspired nom du net).
Sure hope your analysis is correct, Arthur, suggesting as it does a route to relief—pressure on DoJ. It seems to me sufficient popular outrage is just beginning to form.
Well done, Mr. T., but we've come to expect no less. This situation reminds me of a cardinal rule of visiting state parks: Do not feed the animals from your car, lest they lose their fear of humans. There's an analogous situation with the cranks who get to make decisions in both Houses: They've lost their fear of being called out for impropriety. That's where we are. (Don't say Lardass never gave us anything.)
We'll see if Schumer does anything. I want to know why legacy media does not have a few million dollars worth of lawyers filing FOIA requests right now, regardless of what a judge said last year. Clearly McCarthy is not letting some silly judge tell him what he can and can't do...
What was the concession given for a vote to lose the Speaker job? One vote, right? Must it be a Repugnican vote or can any Representative hold up a hand and say “off with his head” as McCarthy has just been acquired by FuxSnooze. Security be damned.
Schumer looks and acts like a sales manager at a Buick dealership in Yonkers. While he may have some legal recourse, he seems entirely too spineless to step in on this. Call McCarthy every name in the book, but he just pulled one over on us again. The Democrats will never learn.
I had a similar reaction, and I'm pretty much never paranoid about the antisemitic implications of ANYTHING.
I mean, a friend played a video for me yesterday of some guy at a demonstration calling a woman a "jew whore," which is obviously pretty antisemitic. and everyone by now is hyper-aware of the dog whistles involving George Soros and "globalists," but I usually don't pick up on antisemitism on other occasions, probably because I grew up in a Jewish bubble.
and why is everybody suddenly so pissed off at Schumer, anyway?
"Antisemitic" isn't an accusation I sling around either. The comments in this thread bewilder me. I don't understand why responsibility for the entire Capitol's security should fall on Schumer's shoulders anyway. In an unthinkable situation like this one, I'd expect an emergency joint bipartisan committee of the leadership of both houses to wrestle it to the mat. Is the new mantra to be "What would Nancy do?
??? After MAGA goons apply their knowledge of heretofore secret protective processes in future assaults, all legislators will be endangered. McCarthy betrayed everyone, officials and staff, in every party, in both chambers.
this particular thing strikes me as qualitatively completely different from anything else they've ever done. it's not just wrong on every conceivable level, it's very, very dangerous. I've been almost speechless with rage and dread since the news broke. and for me to be speechless is...uhh...UNUSUAL.
it's like playing with matches while you pump gas. and it feels irreversible. to whom did this motherfucker make these promises? he "promised" to commit some grave felonies.
this could--and, I fear, WILL--result in people dying. it's wanton criminality.
any legal means for punishing McCarthy (and that Swanson prick) need to be invoked. but the damage can't be undone.
Arthur Silen's comment "If the past two years has taught us anything, it is that documents generated by a federal government agency belong to the United States Government, and they properly belong to the National Archives. […]" answers a lot of questions I've had about McCarthy's treason. What entitles him to promise to give anything that belongs to the government to anyone? I feel the same kind of rage you describe. I hope Arthur's analysis is accurate, because it does point one way to relief.
Fok's own lawyers have argued in court that what little Tucky says can't be trusted or believed:
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
McCarthy is a traitor to his Oath of Office
McCarthy: another felon.
Worse.
"Worse"
Ok transport him to 1692 Salem for trial by fire.
Do you have any idea what happened in Salem in 1692–93? If transported to Salem in 1692, McCarthy would almost certainly be one of the persecutors, not one of their innocent targets.
Thanks Susanna. Didn't know that. I thought Salem was in England?
Great resume U have.
Mine not so great.
Went to one room country school. Two outhouses and a horse barn. Graduated last in my high school class of 1958.
Failed Dumbell English at junior College. Tossed out of University first semester. Told to get a job. Picked lettuce and grapes but finally got a job being a cop.
Finally graduated from the world wide school of Mean Streets.
But at 82 still willing to learn.
If you're 82 and still willing to learn, you're doing great. Me, I grew up in and have lived most of my life in *New* England, Massachusetts to be exact, so the Salem witch trials are part of my local history, and not one of its more commendable parts either. That's where the term "witchhunt" came from. Arthur Miller's play THE CRUCIBLE, based on the Salem trials (or "witch craze" as it's sometimes called), was produced in 1953 -- it was intended to draw a connection between what happened in Salem with Sen. Joe McCarthy's persecution of anyone he thought was too liberal. Unfortunately, the play hasn't gone out of date.
Okay. I'm good with that.
No surprise here. McCarthy is a genuine fūkstik - along with most of the pig caucus.
Oh hell he has already made copies. He’ll probably give them out as Christmas presents. I still cannot believe McCarthy did that. What a douche bag.
I pray that you are correct and that Schumer is already acting on this. Please may it be so!!
I despair. Oh—and the pillow jerk told Steve Baboon he's suing McCarthy for giving Fox, not LindellTV, the tapes. https://www.mediaite.com/news/mike-lindell-vows-to-sue-kevin-mccarthy-for-exclusively-giving-jan-6-footage-to-tucker-carlson/
Now that’s comedy!
This is likely another step towards another coup attempt by the Rethugs. Once that video record has been released to Murdoch’s brownshirts there’s no limit to where parts of it will wind up. And there won’t be any real way to trace the dissemination. It will be copied and copied and copied, sold to the highest bidders, and every militia group will know where the cameras are. If this doesn’t give aid and comfort to the enemy then I don’t know what does.
Distribution is already under way, "According to Axios, Carlson’s producers went to Capitol Hill last week to begin collecting and reviewing the trove of footage." —Time https://www.axios.com/2023/02/20/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-jan-6-riot-footage
McCarthy is now one of the insurrectionists.
If the past two years has taught us anything, it is that documents generated by a federal government agency belong to the United States Government, and they properly belong to the National Archives. It looks to me that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has gotten his nose up over his skis by effectively giving away highly sensitive video recordings of the January 6 insurrection. The National Archives is not a lending library. Kevin McCarthy is not Congress' Chief Librarian, neither is he Custodian in Chief charged with taking out the trash, and deciding which piece of government property is worth keeping, and which is not; and this is not a yard sale for excess government property. AG Merrick Garland needs to get his ass in gear and go to federal court to retrieve those video recordings, and require 'Tucker, Tucker, motherfucker' Carlson to return whatever he has illicitly gotten from Kevin McCarthy. This is not a separation of powers issue. The statutes are clear that all of these recordings are governmental records, every motherfucking one of them. We've been through this with Trump until it's coming out of our ears. These may not be presidential records, but they are certainly relevant to any upcoming trials that are on the horizon. I would not feel the least bit badly about arresting Tucker Carlson and charging him with theft of government property. Let him go to court and try to convince the judge that Kevin 'Cowardly Weasel' McCarthy has authority as Speaker of the House to appropriate and then give away government property that may be relevant evidence in a criminal trial, especially against a traitorous propaganda organ like Fox News. If I were in the United States Attorney's office for the District of Columbia, I'd be at the door of the courthouse clerk the minute it opened tomorrow morning with a Summons and Complaint requesting a preliminary injunction against Carlson, Fox news, and One Hundred John Doe defendants, demanding the return of any and all government-owned property relinquished to them by said Cowardly Weasel McCarthy. I would also be convening a federal grand jury looking into the theft of those video recordings, and looking to indict anyone coming into possession of that stolen property. By now, everyone in TrumpWorld should know that this is not theirs to keep, or to have in their possession for any purpose. I always knew that Kevin McCarthy was criminally stupid; but to be caught engaging in this kind of thievery so publicly — that requires a special kind of stupid that is way below the bar, even in Bakersfield, California!
When reached for comment, Merrick Garland's office released the following statement: "Knit one, purl one, drop one."
/sarcasm
I hope to god that your speculations about trying to salvage whatever can be salvaged in this insane situation are dead-on, Arthur. it seems to me, as I've already posted, that McCarthy broke enough laws to justify, at the very least, a grand jury.
even if this happens, however, it won't undo the harm that's already been done by Fox possessing those tapes for even a few minutes.
This has already been litigated up the gazoo, and Trump lost every time. Now comes that turncoat Kevin McCarthy, and he's done the same thing. I want to see McCarthy shackled in handcuffs and frog-marched into detention. I'd make sure each tape segment would be a separate felony indictment count.
Who knows how many copies are circulating among the MAGAts.
I'd really like to see these thoughts more widely circulated, Arthur—maybe get some momentum rolling toward a real remedy. How about op-ed pages of print publications? If you haven't, could you post them to forums of other Substacks you subscribe to? It's probably too late to make a dent in Robert Reich's (hundreds of comments daily), but this issue is his subject today: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/a-second-attempted-coup The resident retired legal eagle there is Daniel Solomon (which I've long hoped is an inspired nom du net).
Sure hope your analysis is correct, Arthur, suggesting as it does a route to relief—pressure on DoJ. It seems to me sufficient popular outrage is just beginning to form.
So the source of the leaks has now been traced to Kevin? Very interesting.
Well done, Mr. T., but we've come to expect no less. This situation reminds me of a cardinal rule of visiting state parks: Do not feed the animals from your car, lest they lose their fear of humans. There's an analogous situation with the cranks who get to make decisions in both Houses: They've lost their fear of being called out for impropriety. That's where we are. (Don't say Lardass never gave us anything.)
We'll see if Schumer does anything. I want to know why legacy media does not have a few million dollars worth of lawyers filing FOIA requests right now, regardless of what a judge said last year. Clearly McCarthy is not letting some silly judge tell him what he can and can't do...
Because the House opted out of being part of FOIA. Only the executive is subject to FOIA.
What was the concession given for a vote to lose the Speaker job? One vote, right? Must it be a Repugnican vote or can any Representative hold up a hand and say “off with his head” as McCarthy has just been acquired by FuxSnooze. Security be damned.
As usual, you nailed it IV. Thanks. Does anyone here not know we share 99% of our DNA with rodents. Big f..ing rats.
I so agree with your position. But what can be done, now that the cat is out of the bag?
Schumer looks and acts like a sales manager at a Buick dealership in Yonkers. While he may have some legal recourse, he seems entirely too spineless to step in on this. Call McCarthy every name in the book, but he just pulled one over on us again. The Democrats will never learn.
It's "Buick dealership" that makes your description perfect. Bravo.
I didn't want to get into this, but the attacks in this thread on Schumer sound to me gratuitous at best if not antisemitic.
I had a similar reaction, and I'm pretty much never paranoid about the antisemitic implications of ANYTHING.
I mean, a friend played a video for me yesterday of some guy at a demonstration calling a woman a "jew whore," which is obviously pretty antisemitic. and everyone by now is hyper-aware of the dog whistles involving George Soros and "globalists," but I usually don't pick up on antisemitism on other occasions, probably because I grew up in a Jewish bubble.
and why is everybody suddenly so pissed off at Schumer, anyway?
"Antisemitic" isn't an accusation I sling around either. The comments in this thread bewilder me. I don't understand why responsibility for the entire Capitol's security should fall on Schumer's shoulders anyway. In an unthinkable situation like this one, I'd expect an emergency joint bipartisan committee of the leadership of both houses to wrestle it to the mat. Is the new mantra to be "What would Nancy do?
??? After MAGA goons apply their knowledge of heretofore secret protective processes in future assaults, all legislators will be endangered. McCarthy betrayed everyone, officials and staff, in every party, in both chambers.
this particular thing strikes me as qualitatively completely different from anything else they've ever done. it's not just wrong on every conceivable level, it's very, very dangerous. I've been almost speechless with rage and dread since the news broke. and for me to be speechless is...uhh...UNUSUAL.
it's like playing with matches while you pump gas. and it feels irreversible. to whom did this motherfucker make these promises? he "promised" to commit some grave felonies.
this could--and, I fear, WILL--result in people dying. it's wanton criminality.
any legal means for punishing McCarthy (and that Swanson prick) need to be invoked. but the damage can't be undone.
Arthur Silen's comment "If the past two years has taught us anything, it is that documents generated by a federal government agency belong to the United States Government, and they properly belong to the National Archives. […]" answers a lot of questions I've had about McCarthy's treason. What entitles him to promise to give anything that belongs to the government to anyone? I feel the same kind of rage you describe. I hope Arthur's analysis is accurate, because it does point one way to relief.
No, in Bakersfield. That is worse.
I am unable to print my opinion of these traitors...wtf is the Justice System?
i would expect nothing less from Craven mccarthy than his sniveling kowtowing to get sufficient votes to attain his chair.
he has put his desires above serving the people of this country.
we can only hope that any damage he causes can be ameliorated somehow.