...and Obama was skewered for his “cling to guns and bible” reference and Hilary was vilified for referring to the same group of Einsteins as “deplorables”.
You forgot one important thing about these people: they are EVIL! Not stupid, ignorant, misguided folks who feel threatened. They are vicious, EVIL monsters.
Then we argue if we should stop the sale of automatic weapons, thinking that these people have the right to be able to blow anyone they think is not on their side. The armament of racists is what the NRA and Trump himself wanted. They're not only stupid, but they're stupidly dangerous, and they don't care what we think.
Stupid is as stupid does, as Forrest Guh-Guh-Gump once stated. These people were and are a national embarrassment, I agree even though you never said it. But, they are. The fucknut with the horns has come to symbolize what it means to be a full blown idiot in clown-worthy costume. But are they racists? Maybe, and maybe not. If they are, then they are the "Unsilent minority." The Confederate flag does not automatically become a symbol of racism unless it's agreed to by all parties. I don't agree. I wish we'd get off the racism and look at the root cause of all this trouble. It's not racism, at least in my view. It's DC politics paralyzed by partisanship. Then add it to invincible ignorance exacerbated by a nation dumbed down by a failed educational system, fast food everywhere, the Kardashians and you have, as you put it last year, a state failing in slow motion... Now, if ever there was a lethal combination of elements to bring down an entire nation? I just laid'em out.
Watching the voter suppression bills fomenting around the country convinces me that the capitol insurrectionists are racists motivated by not only the previous administration, but also our current Republican congress men and women. The guy in the horn costume is first and foremost a racist...which you try to cast as a mere idiot. I do not agree with your thesis at all. Every criminal espouses some form of social and political institutions as the root cause of their behavior. Seldom do they acknowledge their own culpability. Do not champion a pitiful excuse for deadly, hateful, racist behavior.
You have got to be f-in kidding! They're responsible for misleading and brainwashing millions of people every day, and you can't call someone stupid???!!!
AndreaH: Forgive me, but I never heard the horned decorated ass-clown in the Capitol spew any racial epithets. I heard him say a lot of goofy shit, but racial stuff? Not a word. So, it's hard for me to accept that ALL these retards (sorry to use that old American language) are a pack of black African-American haters. I think the Capitol attackers were---and I posted earlier---under-educated morons, mostly. Maybe they hate blacks and Jews but this crowd was distinctly different than Charlottesville. That, you have to admit. These were loose-bolt, dopey-ass Trumpeteers. Charlottesville were organized nazis and Aryan Brotherhood. If you're going to label the Capitol crowd racists then you need to make racism their motivation and it clearly was not. Their motivation as I see it, and in my opinion, was to occupy the building and try to turn the U.S. Government upside down. Maybe even take over. This makes them insurrectionists more than racists. Do what they did in DC 150 years ago? They would've hanged all the leaders.
Mike Marvin: Forgive me, but the motive of the Capitol insurrectionists was not "to turn the U.S. Government upside down"; the motive was to try to overturn the election of President Biden and hand Donald Trump the victory despite that he lost the election. They had the loud support of Republicans who realized that one strong voting block supporting Biden was the Black American voters. This to them, was not acceptable, and most Americans recognize that the Republicans were driven by racism. Thus, we are engulfed in a racist nationwide movement to suppress voting rights of many American citizens. The insurrection at the Capitol was fueled by a seething racist dogma.
Insurrectionists or racists? That’s a false dichotomy. Also, I saw CSA flags, that one from the inside, but also several outside. Proof enough for me. 🤔😉😊
And you have evidence of all his actions and words during the breach, right? Also, you make a weak assumption that the Capital attackers were under-educated morons. Morons, maybe, under-educated, NO. Too much evidence points to an overall crowd of American educated people. Members of this crowd were led by at least one cadre of the Oath Keepers, who were keeping in frequent contact with each other during the insurrection. See source below.
Please, Mike Marvin, dispense with the minimization of who and what these insurrectionists are and who they were. You are on the wrong side of this situation.
What exactly is the 'Wrong side of this?" Okay, if they were educated morons, it makes things all the worse, don't you agree? Especially if I am wrong and they're highly educated. Usually in our society, the more they're educated the less racist they become, right? Of course I knew the "Oath Keepers" were a part of this. I was speaking in generalities, not specifics. Was it a race riot of whites against blacks? What you're saying is that whites---with their hearts full of hate toward blacks---stormed the Capitol. I don't think so. I think it had to do more with Trump baiting the crowds using his unwarranted frustration adding to the frustration that already exists with people today. From intransigent Mitch to Nancy the conservative hater, all I see with DC politics is conflict and gridlock. Maybe if there were less of all this, things like January 6th would never happen.
Okay. Now you are saying what you meant to say. Although I do not agree that highly educated are less racist: Cruz, Green, Governor Kemp, and all the other educated Republicans promoting distinctly racist voter suppression measures. Peace, Mike.
Peace Andrea. I complete and totally respect your view and appreciate the thoughtful response. I mean that sincerely and not as a smart-ass exit line to have the last word.
Peace Andrea. I complete and totally respect your view and appreciate the thoughtful response. I mean that sincerely and not as a smart-ass exit line to have the last word.
What I find interesting about this thread is this: I totally understand what you're saying and in truth, I partially agree. But not completely. What exactly is the 'Wrong side of this, anyway?" Okay, if they were educated morons, it makes things all the worse, don't you agree? And, the more they're educated the less racist they become, right? I think this thread is a reflection---a microflasm---of what's wrong in all our society and it's this: you both don't have a notion of what I'm saying. You only see it one way and any other viewpoints can take the highway. Next thing you know? A modern Fort Sumpter. Why? Because in 1861 nobody listened to what the other guys were saying---or trying to say. The last time we were unable to find compromise. You know, it was just like this thread. BYW: Do you like the word microflasm?
I think “Deplorable” covered it well...NASTY people, for sure, and anyone who thinks bigotry wasn’t a common denominator from the start, missed a lot of signals. Such “fine folk” in Charlottesville? The Mothership for these looneys is and remains Fox ENTERTAINMENT—Alex Jones, Nazi-saluting Ingraham, misogynist Trump—an endless parade sponsored by that beacon of White Male entitlement. While going door-to-door in 2007 for Obama, I always prepared for the inevitable hostility where the TV blared Fox nonstop. . .
The TV blaring nonstop is because those people are feeling unheard, frustrated, and angry. I'm far from being a right-wing apologist, but the sooner we listen and not denigrate and insult, the better. It's not like there's just a pesky few of them out there. There's tens of millions. The situation isn't unlike that of 1861, so don't kid yourself. We were unable to find compromise then and 600,000 ended up dead, more than all modern wars combined. I agree that Alex Jones et al have polarized things. But his and their audience see things far differently than we do. It's important now to end the polarization and see what we can do to put an end to this divisiveness.
...and Obama was skewered for his “cling to guns and bible” reference and Hilary was vilified for referring to the same group of Einsteins as “deplorables”.
....and they were both...to a great extent...quite correct.
Absolutely right
Obama hit the bullseye, so to speak. You’ve all no doubt seen the sign a lot of right-wingers brandish: it says “abortion, guns, god and trump.”
I interpreted the "Deplorables" as anyone who disagreed with her. No doubt I might've been wrong about that, but that's what I thought at the time.
https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/
George Hanson* was right when he said "This used to be a hell if a good country".
*Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider
>of<
Jeez i hate word select
You forgot one important thing about these people: they are EVIL! Not stupid, ignorant, misguided folks who feel threatened. They are vicious, EVIL monsters.
Then we argue if we should stop the sale of automatic weapons, thinking that these people have the right to be able to blow anyone they think is not on their side. The armament of racists is what the NRA and Trump himself wanted. They're not only stupid, but they're stupidly dangerous, and they don't care what we think.
Stupid is as stupid does, as Forrest Guh-Guh-Gump once stated. These people were and are a national embarrassment, I agree even though you never said it. But, they are. The fucknut with the horns has come to symbolize what it means to be a full blown idiot in clown-worthy costume. But are they racists? Maybe, and maybe not. If they are, then they are the "Unsilent minority." The Confederate flag does not automatically become a symbol of racism unless it's agreed to by all parties. I don't agree. I wish we'd get off the racism and look at the root cause of all this trouble. It's not racism, at least in my view. It's DC politics paralyzed by partisanship. Then add it to invincible ignorance exacerbated by a nation dumbed down by a failed educational system, fast food everywhere, the Kardashians and you have, as you put it last year, a state failing in slow motion... Now, if ever there was a lethal combination of elements to bring down an entire nation? I just laid'em out.
Watching the voter suppression bills fomenting around the country convinces me that the capitol insurrectionists are racists motivated by not only the previous administration, but also our current Republican congress men and women. The guy in the horn costume is first and foremost a racist...which you try to cast as a mere idiot. I do not agree with your thesis at all. Every criminal espouses some form of social and political institutions as the root cause of their behavior. Seldom do they acknowledge their own culpability. Do not champion a pitiful excuse for deadly, hateful, racist behavior.
Best headline of the year! Thank you
Got me sent to FB jail for 24 hours. Apparently calling people "stupid" is verboten.
And why am I not on FB? Let me count the ways . . .
You have got to be f-in kidding! They're responsible for misleading and brainwashing millions of people every day, and you can't call someone stupid???!!!
FB bans anyone for telling the truth. Especially if it describes an entire group of people.
Yikes! For real?
OK silly me, I misread FB. My mind went to FBI.
You’ve seen “Idiocracy,” right?
AndreaH: Forgive me, but I never heard the horned decorated ass-clown in the Capitol spew any racial epithets. I heard him say a lot of goofy shit, but racial stuff? Not a word. So, it's hard for me to accept that ALL these retards (sorry to use that old American language) are a pack of black African-American haters. I think the Capitol attackers were---and I posted earlier---under-educated morons, mostly. Maybe they hate blacks and Jews but this crowd was distinctly different than Charlottesville. That, you have to admit. These were loose-bolt, dopey-ass Trumpeteers. Charlottesville were organized nazis and Aryan Brotherhood. If you're going to label the Capitol crowd racists then you need to make racism their motivation and it clearly was not. Their motivation as I see it, and in my opinion, was to occupy the building and try to turn the U.S. Government upside down. Maybe even take over. This makes them insurrectionists more than racists. Do what they did in DC 150 years ago? They would've hanged all the leaders.
Mike Marvin: Forgive me, but the motive of the Capitol insurrectionists was not "to turn the U.S. Government upside down"; the motive was to try to overturn the election of President Biden and hand Donald Trump the victory despite that he lost the election. They had the loud support of Republicans who realized that one strong voting block supporting Biden was the Black American voters. This to them, was not acceptable, and most Americans recognize that the Republicans were driven by racism. Thus, we are engulfed in a racist nationwide movement to suppress voting rights of many American citizens. The insurrection at the Capitol was fueled by a seething racist dogma.
Insurrectionists or racists? That’s a false dichotomy. Also, I saw CSA flags, that one from the inside, but also several outside. Proof enough for me. 🤔😉😊
And you have evidence of all his actions and words during the breach, right? Also, you make a weak assumption that the Capital attackers were under-educated morons. Morons, maybe, under-educated, NO. Too much evidence points to an overall crowd of American educated people. Members of this crowd were led by at least one cadre of the Oath Keepers, who were keeping in frequent contact with each other during the insurrection. See source below.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/oath-keepers-calls-capitol-riot/2021/04/01/1b48aad4-9338-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
Please, Mike Marvin, dispense with the minimization of who and what these insurrectionists are and who they were. You are on the wrong side of this situation.
What exactly is the 'Wrong side of this?" Okay, if they were educated morons, it makes things all the worse, don't you agree? Especially if I am wrong and they're highly educated. Usually in our society, the more they're educated the less racist they become, right? Of course I knew the "Oath Keepers" were a part of this. I was speaking in generalities, not specifics. Was it a race riot of whites against blacks? What you're saying is that whites---with their hearts full of hate toward blacks---stormed the Capitol. I don't think so. I think it had to do more with Trump baiting the crowds using his unwarranted frustration adding to the frustration that already exists with people today. From intransigent Mitch to Nancy the conservative hater, all I see with DC politics is conflict and gridlock. Maybe if there were less of all this, things like January 6th would never happen.
Okay. Now you are saying what you meant to say. Although I do not agree that highly educated are less racist: Cruz, Green, Governor Kemp, and all the other educated Republicans promoting distinctly racist voter suppression measures. Peace, Mike.
Peace Andrea. I complete and totally respect your view and appreciate the thoughtful response. I mean that sincerely and not as a smart-ass exit line to have the last word.
Peace Andrea. I complete and totally respect your view and appreciate the thoughtful response. I mean that sincerely and not as a smart-ass exit line to have the last word.
The “wrong side” is denying racists are racists. That’s what I’m reading, Mike. Sorry. 🤔😉😊
What I find interesting about this thread is this: I totally understand what you're saying and in truth, I partially agree. But not completely. What exactly is the 'Wrong side of this, anyway?" Okay, if they were educated morons, it makes things all the worse, don't you agree? And, the more they're educated the less racist they become, right? I think this thread is a reflection---a microflasm---of what's wrong in all our society and it's this: you both don't have a notion of what I'm saying. You only see it one way and any other viewpoints can take the highway. Next thing you know? A modern Fort Sumpter. Why? Because in 1861 nobody listened to what the other guys were saying---or trying to say. The last time we were unable to find compromise. You know, it was just like this thread. BYW: Do you like the word microflasm?
I suspect you do not understand what you are saying, so you blame the reader for misinterpreting what you are saying. ENOUGH.
Sooner or later Congress will need to break up FB and/or make it a public utility.
You’re speaking my language Mike
I think “Deplorable” covered it well...NASTY people, for sure, and anyone who thinks bigotry wasn’t a common denominator from the start, missed a lot of signals. Such “fine folk” in Charlottesville? The Mothership for these looneys is and remains Fox ENTERTAINMENT—Alex Jones, Nazi-saluting Ingraham, misogynist Trump—an endless parade sponsored by that beacon of White Male entitlement. While going door-to-door in 2007 for Obama, I always prepared for the inevitable hostility where the TV blared Fox nonstop. . .
The TV blaring nonstop is because those people are feeling unheard, frustrated, and angry. I'm far from being a right-wing apologist, but the sooner we listen and not denigrate and insult, the better. It's not like there's just a pesky few of them out there. There's tens of millions. The situation isn't unlike that of 1861, so don't kid yourself. We were unable to find compromise then and 600,000 ended up dead, more than all modern wars combined. I agree that Alex Jones et al have polarized things. But his and their audience see things far differently than we do. It's important now to end the polarization and see what we can do to put an end to this divisiveness.