I’ve been trying to figure out what’s going on with Donald Trump’s recent use of profane language and the new level of personal attacks he’s hitting on the campaign trail. Listen to how he described Kamala Harris in Detroit on Friday: “She’s a shit vice president.
Did you see Shitler "working" at a McDonald's today? Beyond pathetic! Even Bill Kristol said something about Biden's economy being so good that McDonald's was forced to hire a convicted felon who is out on bail.
This will all be over in two weeks when Kamala and Waltz win. Well, we know there will be small fires to put out but we can do that. I just hope that we all survive the next two weeks.
Perhaps, but if they lose at least they will be sidelined and out of power. And Trump is on his last hurrah. Imagine him trying to run in 2028. Imagine his mental state at 82…. if he’s even alive.
JFC! Can't this guy just up and die already? LKTIV, I fear for this country... if this D-bag wins, it's game over! I fear for all the younger people out there.
“We” can’t wait to see people celebrating in the streets when he does. I wonder if Trump ever thinks about the millions of people who are going to be deliriously happy when he dies.
Yes but. This doesn't expand his base. It puts a lot of people off. Invoking the idea of "locker room talk" is just an excuse to act in an uncivilized, brutish manner. It doesn't excuse the unacceptable racism, misogyny, bigotry, and just plain selfishness of people who engage in it. Women are not going to like it at all, so all this nonsense about getting Nikki Haley to join him on the campaign trail for the next two weeks to court women is a lie. He's shooting himself in the foot.
Self-hate. Kowtowing to the men who dominate them or have brainwashed them. I can't understand why any woman votes for this sleezebag other than cynical opportunists or hypnotized cultists.
Somewhere recently I saw a comment by someone who was doing early voting and said couples were being called up in pairs so the men were looking over their wife's shoulder when she voted. It just kills me that I can't remember where I saw that. Under those circumstances (illegal, I'd think... except states set their procedures) I could see women voting for him. Otherwise, when I see women at his rallies, I assume total lack of information.
Well said. Please keep saying that. As often as possible.
My fervent hope is that I live to see both houses of Congress with at least 51% elected women. Yes, there will be MTGs and Boeberts, but there will be many more Pelosis and Elizabeth Warrens. Men — white men— have fucked this country up for long enough.
I cautiously share your view. And, the chanting of **** also sounds so hitlerian and jacks up a minority in a similar way as the one that bore madness into power almost 100 years ago.
Not all Trumpsters are poor and downtrodden; lots of middle class and wealthier professionals, solidly employed, with jobs, status, power are enthusiastic MAGAs. Perhaps at heart, regardless of age, many people still want to be the "bad boy". It's so much easier to rant at the kids who got A's or the supervisor at work than it is to actually study or do the job well. Trump is approving revenge and resentment - and cheating - as normal and beneficial. I fear it's going to take a generation or two to restore dignity, respect, and integrity into American culture.
Yeah...but I think that Trump's appeal to the well-off middle class has a lot more to do with tax cuts than it does with permission to yell obscenities at the teacher everybody dislikes or to talk about vulgar references to outsize body parts around the water cooler at work.
Yes, and those folks are too short-sighted or naive to see that his policies would seriously damage, if not wreck, our economy and greatly diminish their wealth. He is a kleptocrat; he and his family tried to steal his niece's inheritance, and I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to steal from his own kids. Not to mention stealing from the American government.
Yes very true and unless President Biden is a whole lot dumber than I think he is (he's not) he has a plan in place for any eventualities that Trump and his election stealing allies can come up with.
Well, I think it's more on others' shoulders to deal with that. For instance, the courts that will expedite challenges and the laws that help protect the electoral vote certification which Mr. Hubbell went into, although the part about lowering the total electoral votes needed for a majority by half the number of the electoral votes from a state which can't turn theirs in isn't terribly satisfactory since we both know if there is a problem with certifying or producing electoral votes it will be in a legislatively red state producing a blue popular vote.
I'd like to think so, but Netanyahu has run rings around Biden for a year now. So how is Biden gonna handle Drumpf on a rampage? With "concern" or imploring him to agree to stop the violence? Saying inanities like "This has got to stop!"
Yes and no. I hear people lauding the tax cuts but if they have a high enough income to benefit much that way, they are also probably participating in the stock market and they will know it does much better under Dems than Repubs, especially 45. I heard a broker say "the way I look at it money isn't blue or red, it's green" and go on to make the point about it doing better under Ds. I guess taxes might have to do with it for some, but I feel like misinformation and disinformation has a lot to answer for. (Have you seen the excellent Rachel Maddow section on those who say they favor 45 for "business reasons"?)
Tax cuts, yes. But the appeal also lies in racism, hatred of a government (i.e. Democrat government) that gives aid to the poor; perception of Democrats as the urban elite (as far a leadership goes, pretty true), etc.
Lest we forget a conniving and destructive set of billionaire t backers: the muskrat, and the founder of rideshares Uber Alles, who would like to destroy the federal government and almost have the money to do it' and madame Adelson -- I don't know what she's all about but she's far above middle class.
I had forgotten about David Sacks! Thanks to all on this thread, and Lucian for fueling our explorations and ability to vent a bit. We are resisting disinformation together.
Lucian, thank you for putting your finger on what's so vile about Trump. I've been reading lately about resentment, and how that must play a big part in his psyche--and that of the supporters you zeroed in on. Resentment is a powerful emotion that will motivate people to do terrible things, and as WE have seen, Trump is not one to pull *any* punch. Like Louis Kicha, "I fear for this country."
For someone who has been handed everything on a gilded plate, it's pretty rich that he's so angry, so full of grievances, so full of hatred. I guess he knows he's not worth the dirt he stands on.
Trump is brimful of resentment. It’s a powerful political force. Hitler knew that and tapped into it. Having inherited wealth, education, status, etc., does not liberate a weak, insecure person from seething resentment. Trump was a lackey to his vile, cruel, psychopathic father. Like an urban dog who’s been taught to steal wallets, he cannot change…. not that he has enough honesty and insight to want to. Part of his own “home grown” resentment stems from being shunned by the real (mostly invisible) NYC elite, in whose august ranks he desperately yearned to be accepted.
This sickening behavior is the real Trump and always has been, he just kept it in check when he was winning even in the first election. This time is different, because he knows he is losing and the really ugly side of him (it's always been there) is here for a little over two more weeks. I could go on and on about what a despicable human being he is, but what's the point if we all know it. Don't get discouraged because that's what he wants, flood the zone with shit, intimidate, scare everyone. He has operated this way his whole life in everything he's done, but we have a real simple solution, vote. Of the few people that I know that support and like him, that still talk to me, at this point the gloves are off, and I intended to shame them with "How Could You"? As Kamala says, "We're not going back."
He had a slight patina of manners from his upbringing and rich boy advantages but cognitive decline has helped him bypass those learned traits and revealed his core, crude self.
I'm not sure how much his recent diatribes reflect deliberate strategy, and how much they reflect his mental deterioration.
When an old man is obsessed with sex and sexual matters, when what comes out of his mouth is untethered to social boundaries, these could be symptoms of Alzheimer's. If you put these recent incidents together with recent examples of his word salad and the fact that Fred had Alzheimer's, it's a pretty good bet that Donald is well on his way.
It's pretty ironic that his base continues to fawn on and follow their king as he descends into madness. Will they continue to cheer if he pulls down his pants and takes a shit on the stage, or if he proudly exhibits to them his beautiful willie? Will the press and his Republican acolytes still find ways to sanewash his behavior and pretend that all this is normal?
Let me quote Barack Obama when he said when did this become ok? (hatred, vile rhetoric and degrading opinions about “the other”). My stomach aches from having read this
“Bad boy”crap. It is the basis of misogyny! I read a lot of substacks and in doing so have come to see that the opinions, statistics, biased reporting and put downs come so predominantly from wealthy white men and I am seething at the public hatred slung at women. While I have been working hard in support of Kamala and I detest the MAGA ‘movement’ I don’t for a moment believe all of these people have been raised to be so crass.
Glad to see you raising the issue of misogyny. The hatred of women, taking away our right to choose, saying women should stay in an abusive marriage, next taking away or right to vote, or own property - who knows what's next...So many entitled threatened small men.
And people think trump's stupid! You've broken the code. Hope Taegan Goddard picks this up for PoliticalWire and other folks spread it far and wide. Everyone needs to read it. This really belongs in a major daily.
Well thought out and well written. The fact that a candidate fo president of the United States is talking like this is unfathomable. And the people who are stupid enough to think the color of your skin matters, are stupid enough to think the size of your penis matters, or that women with big boobs are asking for it, or being tough equals being strong. It's lazy, it's vilifying, and it's stupid.
As the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, it's hard to believe we find ourselves again fighting Fascism on this scale. What heartens me are the clear strong voices of Lucian Truscott, Heather Cox Richardson, Robert Hubbell and other substackers. In ways that the legacy media is failing to do, these authors are broadcasting the danger of Trump and his coalition.
Yeah it's pushing the rhetorical boundaries within poltical battles. I'll bet you anything Aristotle already discussed that cheap, sophistical debating trick deployed against an opponent, or here, as inviting us against our will into a fairly crude - if harmless in other contexts - Trumpian safari into delirum.
Very astute as usual Lucian. Trump is being a proletician. Proletariratfucking, and his captured proles cannot spot the difference between kneeling down and bending over.
I've said from the beginning that Trump is a six-year-old whose biggest thrill is running into Grandma's tea party, dropping trou, waggling his weenie at all the proper ladies, and grooving on the resulting squeals.
And all of his followers are the first-grade C-students who think this performance is the coolest thing EVER.
Which is why grownups who know better refuse to squeal. We simply pick Junior up, take him to his room, and make him stay there until supper -- and then ground his ass for the next two weeks, once he apologizes to Grandma and her friends.
We need to respond to Trump in something recognizably resembling the same way. It'll involve crushing electoral defeats, and some court judgments, and we'll probably never get that apology. But he can't be out in public any more.
Did you see Shitler "working" at a McDonald's today? Beyond pathetic! Even Bill Kristol said something about Biden's economy being so good that McDonald's was forced to hire a convicted felon who is out on bail.
It was all staged. The place was closed, he handed some pre cooked fries through the window but didn’t take any money. It was over in 15 minutes.
Rim shot, Bill...
This will all be over in two weeks when Kamala and Waltz win. Well, we know there will be small fires to put out but we can do that. I just hope that we all survive the next two weeks.
I highly doubt this will be over after the election. MAGAs will remain. None of their disillusionment or
grievances will be wiped away by ConOLD losing the election.
Hard to put the Geni back in the bottle. Will put society every be the same ? I don't think so.
We may need a "whiff of grape" by the end.
Perhaps, but if they lose at least they will be sidelined and out of power. And Trump is on his last hurrah. Imagine him trying to run in 2028. Imagine his mental state at 82…. if he’s even alive.
JFC! Can't this guy just up and die already? LKTIV, I fear for this country... if this D-bag wins, it's game over! I fear for all the younger people out there.
“We” can’t wait to see people celebrating in the streets when he does. I wonder if Trump ever thinks about the millions of people who are going to be deliriously happy when he dies.
I'll be doing the Macarena in the streets!!!
If he wins, we can always blame the Duke's...lol
Looking good, Kenty Ray!
I’m one of them.
What needs to happen to him can’t be mentioned here, but I think you know what I’m talking about.
Yes but. This doesn't expand his base. It puts a lot of people off. Invoking the idea of "locker room talk" is just an excuse to act in an uncivilized, brutish manner. It doesn't excuse the unacceptable racism, misogyny, bigotry, and just plain selfishness of people who engage in it. Women are not going to like it at all, so all this nonsense about getting Nikki Haley to join him on the campaign trail for the next two weeks to court women is a lie. He's shooting himself in the foot.
Women will be his downfall. Any men who join them in voting for VP Harris are true men.
I hope you're right!
I just dislike Haley intensely. What a spineless loser.
Women gave Trump 43% of their vote in 2020. Why?
Self-hate. Kowtowing to the men who dominate them or have brainwashed them. I can't understand why any woman votes for this sleezebag other than cynical opportunists or hypnotized cultists.
Somewhere recently I saw a comment by someone who was doing early voting and said couples were being called up in pairs so the men were looking over their wife's shoulder when she voted. It just kills me that I can't remember where I saw that. Under those circumstances (illegal, I'd think... except states set their procedures) I could see women voting for him. Otherwise, when I see women at his rallies, I assume total lack of information.
Well said. Please keep saying that. As often as possible.
My fervent hope is that I live to see both houses of Congress with at least 51% elected women. Yes, there will be MTGs and Boeberts, but there will be many more Pelosis and Elizabeth Warrens. Men — white men— have fucked this country up for long enough.
White women gave trump 43% of their vote. However, 57% of women which included all races gave Biden their vote. Not all women are white.
Their religious leaders told them CFDJT was fighting to “save their way of life.”
I'd prefer he shoot himself in the opposite end of his fat body.
Often wondered, what if he shot himself on 5th Avenue?
LOLOLOLOL!!!
Great comment! Would his MAGA goons still love him even then, lying dead on 5th Avenue?
Multiple times.
I cautiously share your view. And, the chanting of **** also sounds so hitlerian and jacks up a minority in a similar way as the one that bore madness into power almost 100 years ago.
I hope that you're right.
Is she going to do that?
I don't know. I heard that he was pitching the idea to her.
How pathetic. Haley will eventually join the dustbin of irrelevancy if she campaigns with ConOLD.
Not all Trumpsters are poor and downtrodden; lots of middle class and wealthier professionals, solidly employed, with jobs, status, power are enthusiastic MAGAs. Perhaps at heart, regardless of age, many people still want to be the "bad boy". It's so much easier to rant at the kids who got A's or the supervisor at work than it is to actually study or do the job well. Trump is approving revenge and resentment - and cheating - as normal and beneficial. I fear it's going to take a generation or two to restore dignity, respect, and integrity into American culture.
Yeah...but I think that Trump's appeal to the well-off middle class has a lot more to do with tax cuts than it does with permission to yell obscenities at the teacher everybody dislikes or to talk about vulgar references to outsize body parts around the water cooler at work.
Yes, and those folks are too short-sighted or naive to see that his policies would seriously damage, if not wreck, our economy and greatly diminish their wealth. He is a kleptocrat; he and his family tried to steal his niece's inheritance, and I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to steal from his own kids. Not to mention stealing from the American government.
And attempting to steal the 2020 election--and it's a sure thing that he will try again this time.
But this time, he won't be a president, he'll just be a lowly citizen like the rest of us -( if that helps at all!)
Yes very true and unless President Biden is a whole lot dumber than I think he is (he's not) he has a plan in place for any eventualities that Trump and his election stealing allies can come up with.
Well, I think it's more on others' shoulders to deal with that. For instance, the courts that will expedite challenges and the laws that help protect the electoral vote certification which Mr. Hubbell went into, although the part about lowering the total electoral votes needed for a majority by half the number of the electoral votes from a state which can't turn theirs in isn't terribly satisfactory since we both know if there is a problem with certifying or producing electoral votes it will be in a legislatively red state producing a blue popular vote.
I'd like to think so, but Netanyahu has run rings around Biden for a year now. So how is Biden gonna handle Drumpf on a rampage? With "concern" or imploring him to agree to stop the violence? Saying inanities like "This has got to stop!"
I’m not so sure. There are plenty of Ivy League graduates who share tfg’s misogyny and racism.
Sadly that is far too true.
Yalies, many of them...
Yes and no. I hear people lauding the tax cuts but if they have a high enough income to benefit much that way, they are also probably participating in the stock market and they will know it does much better under Dems than Repubs, especially 45. I heard a broker say "the way I look at it money isn't blue or red, it's green" and go on to make the point about it doing better under Ds. I guess taxes might have to do with it for some, but I feel like misinformation and disinformation has a lot to answer for. (Have you seen the excellent Rachel Maddow section on those who say they favor 45 for "business reasons"?)
May money be green everywhere!!
Tax cuts, yes. But the appeal also lies in racism, hatred of a government (i.e. Democrat government) that gives aid to the poor; perception of Democrats as the urban elite (as far a leadership goes, pretty true), etc.
Agree wholeheartedly. It’s greed, pure and simple, with no thought about the state of the country.
It is certainly an interesting intersection of people who support him. You probably would never see them gathered under any other tent.
If so, they would be wearing white hoods.
👍
Jail...???
Resentment, revenge, and cheating. Not to mention lying. You said it, Laurie.
Yes, absolutely true. I know many.
Lest we forget a conniving and destructive set of billionaire t backers: the muskrat, and the founder of rideshares Uber Alles, who would like to destroy the federal government and almost have the money to do it' and madame Adelson -- I don't know what she's all about but she's far above middle class.
I had forgotten about David Sacks! Thanks to all on this thread, and Lucian for fueling our explorations and ability to vent a bit. We are resisting disinformation together.
Lucian, thank you for putting your finger on what's so vile about Trump. I've been reading lately about resentment, and how that must play a big part in his psyche--and that of the supporters you zeroed in on. Resentment is a powerful emotion that will motivate people to do terrible things, and as WE have seen, Trump is not one to pull *any* punch. Like Louis Kicha, "I fear for this country."
For someone who has been handed everything on a gilded plate, it's pretty rich that he's so angry, so full of grievances, so full of hatred. I guess he knows he's not worth the dirt he stands on.
He's about the most insecure person on the planet!
Trump is brimful of resentment. It’s a powerful political force. Hitler knew that and tapped into it. Having inherited wealth, education, status, etc., does not liberate a weak, insecure person from seething resentment. Trump was a lackey to his vile, cruel, psychopathic father. Like an urban dog who’s been taught to steal wallets, he cannot change…. not that he has enough honesty and insight to want to. Part of his own “home grown” resentment stems from being shunned by the real (mostly invisible) NYC elite, in whose august ranks he desperately yearned to be accepted.
This sickening behavior is the real Trump and always has been, he just kept it in check when he was winning even in the first election. This time is different, because he knows he is losing and the really ugly side of him (it's always been there) is here for a little over two more weeks. I could go on and on about what a despicable human being he is, but what's the point if we all know it. Don't get discouraged because that's what he wants, flood the zone with shit, intimidate, scare everyone. He has operated this way his whole life in everything he's done, but we have a real simple solution, vote. Of the few people that I know that support and like him, that still talk to me, at this point the gloves are off, and I intended to shame them with "How Could You"? As Kamala says, "We're not going back."
He had a slight patina of manners from his upbringing and rich boy advantages but cognitive decline has helped him bypass those learned traits and revealed his core, crude self.
I'm not sure how much his recent diatribes reflect deliberate strategy, and how much they reflect his mental deterioration.
When an old man is obsessed with sex and sexual matters, when what comes out of his mouth is untethered to social boundaries, these could be symptoms of Alzheimer's. If you put these recent incidents together with recent examples of his word salad and the fact that Fred had Alzheimer's, it's a pretty good bet that Donald is well on his way.
It's pretty ironic that his base continues to fawn on and follow their king as he descends into madness. Will they continue to cheer if he pulls down his pants and takes a shit on the stage, or if he proudly exhibits to them his beautiful willie? Will the press and his Republican acolytes still find ways to sanewash his behavior and pretend that all this is normal?
I’d love to see how hannity explains that on fux(oops) news😺
Although I couldn't miss the anti-Harris patriarchy play -- it's all about who has a bigger ---. And, pardon what follows, Harris has ovaries.
An exposed mushroom...The Horror!
Let me quote Barack Obama when he said when did this become ok? (hatred, vile rhetoric and degrading opinions about “the other”). My stomach aches from having read this
“Bad boy”crap. It is the basis of misogyny! I read a lot of substacks and in doing so have come to see that the opinions, statistics, biased reporting and put downs come so predominantly from wealthy white men and I am seething at the public hatred slung at women. While I have been working hard in support of Kamala and I detest the MAGA ‘movement’ I don’t for a moment believe all of these people have been raised to be so crass.
Glad to see you raising the issue of misogyny. The hatred of women, taking away our right to choose, saying women should stay in an abusive marriage, next taking away or right to vote, or own property - who knows what's next...So many entitled threatened small men.
The MAGAs of my acquaintance KNOW he's a bad boy. But he's THEIR bad boy. Somehow that makes him ok. But what does that make them???
Stupid! They don’t seem to have the capacity to separate reality from a “reality” tv show. But realty will slap them hard if he is elected.
And people think trump's stupid! You've broken the code. Hope Taegan Goddard picks this up for PoliticalWire and other folks spread it far and wide. Everyone needs to read it. This really belongs in a major daily.
His voters have one thing in common: they’re assholes as much as he is.
Well thought out and well written. The fact that a candidate fo president of the United States is talking like this is unfathomable. And the people who are stupid enough to think the color of your skin matters, are stupid enough to think the size of your penis matters, or that women with big boobs are asking for it, or being tough equals being strong. It's lazy, it's vilifying, and it's stupid.
Arnold Palmer's penis wasn't on my election bingo card. But you're correct about yesterday's disgusting talk. This is right out of Hitler's playbook.
As the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, it's hard to believe we find ourselves again fighting Fascism on this scale. What heartens me are the clear strong voices of Lucian Truscott, Heather Cox Richardson, Robert Hubbell and other substackers. In ways that the legacy media is failing to do, these authors are broadcasting the danger of Trump and his coalition.
I am also the daughter of now deceased victims of the Holocaust. It’s all despicable and frightening. Grateful my folks aren’t alive.
Yeah it's pushing the rhetorical boundaries within poltical battles. I'll bet you anything Aristotle already discussed that cheap, sophistical debating trick deployed against an opponent, or here, as inviting us against our will into a fairly crude - if harmless in other contexts - Trumpian safari into delirum.
Very astute as usual Lucian. Trump is being a proletician. Proletariratfucking, and his captured proles cannot spot the difference between kneeling down and bending over.
I've said from the beginning that Trump is a six-year-old whose biggest thrill is running into Grandma's tea party, dropping trou, waggling his weenie at all the proper ladies, and grooving on the resulting squeals.
And all of his followers are the first-grade C-students who think this performance is the coolest thing EVER.
Which is why grownups who know better refuse to squeal. We simply pick Junior up, take him to his room, and make him stay there until supper -- and then ground his ass for the next two weeks, once he apologizes to Grandma and her friends.
We need to respond to Trump in something recognizably resembling the same way. It'll involve crushing electoral defeats, and some court judgments, and we'll probably never get that apology. But he can't be out in public any more.
Just when you think we might have heard it all….unbelievable and sadly, there will be more….