Another meaningless statement as written, nice try though.
AT WHAT DOSAGE is there "no antidote"?, answer THAT and we can discuss further, and what do medical professionals do when someone ingests substance (maybe food, water, whatever) and is convulsively sickened and they do not KNOW of or lack access at that times, to any "antidote," t…
Another meaningless statement as written, nice try though.
AT WHAT DOSAGE is there "no antidote"?, answer THAT and we can discuss further, and what do medical professionals do when someone ingests substance (maybe food, water, whatever) and is convulsively sickened and they do not KNOW of or lack access at that times, to any "antidote," throw up their hands and call the funeral home? Of course not.
Jeez, in all fields known to science and law, concrete details matter when you are talking about drugs (and much else, but let's stick to Ketamine or mind-altering drugs in general) legally prescribed, legal but used to be illegal, legal in some states, not in others, illegal drugs that are so dangerous they have always been shunned once the dangers were established (bathtub gin is one example), non-drugs that are dangerous in large quantities (tap water? Bottled water? Pure spring water? All can cause collapse, as can not enough hydration in numerous scenarios) and that's just off the top of my head.
I encourage people to read THE ENTIRE TEXT OF ANYTHING I LINK TO, OF COURSE, especially since I read it and realized immediately, "this is as common as garden weeds in medicine and law," but you ALWAYS have to take account of possible inadvertent and intentional misuse.
It's like herbal medicine, speaking of "weeds," there are weeds you could pick in the woods that would knock out a team of mules in sufficient dosage, so what? Proves nothing. There are weeds mules and cows could digest and we can't, etc. Still always need much more context, i.e., concrete details and that starts with amount ingested, the dosage.
So, again: at what dosage is there no emetic that would expel enough of the ketamine and serve as the kind of default setting emergency treatment for "too much" of a host of substances? I figure there must ne some dosage that just kills a normal person within minutes or seconds, again, so what? There are endless kinds of drugs like that. We need more facts.
Not saying at all that ketamine is "safe," just quotes medical uses for it, antidote or no antidote.
The online Battle of the Non-Experts continues!
I have no, as in ZERO, direct experience with ketamine, I only know it's being prescribed for some severe (suicidal ideation driven) depression, maybe out of desperation when other ideas have failed, and that EMTs and some cops are carrying it as some kind of "remedy" for overdosed people who are freaking out to subdue them, now THAT sounds like a bad idea but who knows?
Again: a lot definitely depends on the dosage - and I am maybe assuming you already realize, like everything else, it depends on all sorts of other criteria as well, dosage is just a threshold issue:
Age of patient the (3 years old? 83 years old?) chronic underlying conditions, other prescriptions and possible drug interactions, vitamins, supplements pt. takes, a long long list.
thank you, Richard. what you're saying needs to be repeated over and over again. if it's not, we're going to repeatedly find ourselves in what I like to call "Anslinger Territory."
I actually HAVE taken Ketamine a few times and it was not unpleasant (but not remotely as pleasant as other, similar drugs), but DID manage to give me vertigo when I tried to walk anywhere in the apartment. since my balance isn't starting at a great place, I decided to avoid it in the future. from what it sounds like (just to ME), it feels like Ketamine is hardly the worst problem we have with Musk, who's just a prick with money if we're talking about him on a personal basis. if the country is relying on his largesse for stuff THIS important, complaining about his drug use feels like we're putting the metaphorical cart before the metaphorical horse.
Oh god, hopefully there's no current version of Harry J. Anslinger waiting in the wings, I just had a recollection of a Playboy Magazine interview with that S.O.B, in the mid to late 1960s I think, the interviewer let Anslinger talk himself into that authoritarian "Big Brother is Watching" frenzy of dogmatic certainty and just patiently cited contrary considerations, the way I remember it. Seems like there was a time when he was everywhere because of the sometimes serious, sometimes hyperbolic shouts of imminent disaster posed by, not just really dangerous street drugs (Speed Kills etc.) but any use of marijuana, a la "Reefer Madness" - wonder if you saw that film as so many college students did, in my case at a free showing in the Macalester Student Union? Fit right in with the other standards that were shown: all the earlier Marx Brothers films, from Coconuts, Duck Soup, through A Night at the Opera, A Day at the Races, At the Circus, and same thing with W.C. Fields films.
Wiki bio of Harry J. Anslinger, in case someone else wanders here unfamiliar with his reactionary schtick:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Harry J. Anslinger
1st Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
In office
August 12, 1930 – August 17, 1962
President Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Harry Jacob Anslinger (May 20, 1892 – November 14, 1975) was an American government official who served as the first commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics during the presidencies of Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. He was a supporter of Prohibition, and of the criminalization of all drugs, and spearheaded anti-drug policy campaigns.[1][2]
Anslinger has been characterized as an early proponent of the war on drugs, as he zealously advocated for and pursued harsh drug penalties, in particular regarding marijuana.[3] As a propagandist for the war on drugs, he focused on demonizing racial and immigrant groups.[3] He targeted jazz musicians, including singer Billie Holiday.[4][5]
Anslinger held office as commissioner for an unprecedented 32 years, until 1962. He then held office for two years as U.S. Representative to the United Nations Narcotics Commission. The responsibilities once held by Anslinger are now largely under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy and the agency he ran was a predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). *****
in a fairly recent book (I'm pretty sure it's "In the Realm of Shadows," the author (again, it'd Mate with an acute accent) discloses that Anslinger himself was a heroin addict. Joe McCarthy as well.
for some reason, I've always consigned the motherfucker to a period a long time back. and now I find out that he was giving Playboy interviews when I was graduating from high school, smoking pot whenever I had the chance.
This makes complete sense, what "better cover" than to campaign as an absolutely driven crusader for good morals and sound values- in fact, "pure as the driven snow cut with Mannitol," simply so deeply concerned about Our American Youth that he can't help being a hardcore opponent of dope! - for Anslinger, and similar with McCarthy!
Those barstewards ruined, destroyed so many people's lives, so often for just smoking some weed, or "trafficking" a few ounces of not that great pot!
Another meaningless statement as written, nice try though.
AT WHAT DOSAGE is there "no antidote"?, answer THAT and we can discuss further, and what do medical professionals do when someone ingests substance (maybe food, water, whatever) and is convulsively sickened and they do not KNOW of or lack access at that times, to any "antidote," throw up their hands and call the funeral home? Of course not.
Jeez, in all fields known to science and law, concrete details matter when you are talking about drugs (and much else, but let's stick to Ketamine or mind-altering drugs in general) legally prescribed, legal but used to be illegal, legal in some states, not in others, illegal drugs that are so dangerous they have always been shunned once the dangers were established (bathtub gin is one example), non-drugs that are dangerous in large quantities (tap water? Bottled water? Pure spring water? All can cause collapse, as can not enough hydration in numerous scenarios) and that's just off the top of my head.
I encourage people to read THE ENTIRE TEXT OF ANYTHING I LINK TO, OF COURSE, especially since I read it and realized immediately, "this is as common as garden weeds in medicine and law," but you ALWAYS have to take account of possible inadvertent and intentional misuse.
It's like herbal medicine, speaking of "weeds," there are weeds you could pick in the woods that would knock out a team of mules in sufficient dosage, so what? Proves nothing. There are weeds mules and cows could digest and we can't, etc. Still always need much more context, i.e., concrete details and that starts with amount ingested, the dosage.
So, again: at what dosage is there no emetic that would expel enough of the ketamine and serve as the kind of default setting emergency treatment for "too much" of a host of substances? I figure there must ne some dosage that just kills a normal person within minutes or seconds, again, so what? There are endless kinds of drugs like that. We need more facts.
Not saying at all that ketamine is "safe," just quotes medical uses for it, antidote or no antidote.
The online Battle of the Non-Experts continues!
I have no, as in ZERO, direct experience with ketamine, I only know it's being prescribed for some severe (suicidal ideation driven) depression, maybe out of desperation when other ideas have failed, and that EMTs and some cops are carrying it as some kind of "remedy" for overdosed people who are freaking out to subdue them, now THAT sounds like a bad idea but who knows?
Again: a lot definitely depends on the dosage - and I am maybe assuming you already realize, like everything else, it depends on all sorts of other criteria as well, dosage is just a threshold issue:
Age of patient the (3 years old? 83 years old?) chronic underlying conditions, other prescriptions and possible drug interactions, vitamins, supplements pt. takes, a long long list.
thank you, Richard. what you're saying needs to be repeated over and over again. if it's not, we're going to repeatedly find ourselves in what I like to call "Anslinger Territory."
I actually HAVE taken Ketamine a few times and it was not unpleasant (but not remotely as pleasant as other, similar drugs), but DID manage to give me vertigo when I tried to walk anywhere in the apartment. since my balance isn't starting at a great place, I decided to avoid it in the future. from what it sounds like (just to ME), it feels like Ketamine is hardly the worst problem we have with Musk, who's just a prick with money if we're talking about him on a personal basis. if the country is relying on his largesse for stuff THIS important, complaining about his drug use feels like we're putting the metaphorical cart before the metaphorical horse.
Oh god, hopefully there's no current version of Harry J. Anslinger waiting in the wings, I just had a recollection of a Playboy Magazine interview with that S.O.B, in the mid to late 1960s I think, the interviewer let Anslinger talk himself into that authoritarian "Big Brother is Watching" frenzy of dogmatic certainty and just patiently cited contrary considerations, the way I remember it. Seems like there was a time when he was everywhere because of the sometimes serious, sometimes hyperbolic shouts of imminent disaster posed by, not just really dangerous street drugs (Speed Kills etc.) but any use of marijuana, a la "Reefer Madness" - wonder if you saw that film as so many college students did, in my case at a free showing in the Macalester Student Union? Fit right in with the other standards that were shown: all the earlier Marx Brothers films, from Coconuts, Duck Soup, through A Night at the Opera, A Day at the Races, At the Circus, and same thing with W.C. Fields films.
Wiki bio of Harry J. Anslinger, in case someone else wanders here unfamiliar with his reactionary schtick:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Harry J. Anslinger
1st Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
In office
August 12, 1930 – August 17, 1962
President Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Harry Jacob Anslinger (May 20, 1892 – November 14, 1975) was an American government official who served as the first commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics during the presidencies of Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. He was a supporter of Prohibition, and of the criminalization of all drugs, and spearheaded anti-drug policy campaigns.[1][2]
Anslinger has been characterized as an early proponent of the war on drugs, as he zealously advocated for and pursued harsh drug penalties, in particular regarding marijuana.[3] As a propagandist for the war on drugs, he focused on demonizing racial and immigrant groups.[3] He targeted jazz musicians, including singer Billie Holiday.[4][5]
Anslinger held office as commissioner for an unprecedented 32 years, until 1962. He then held office for two years as U.S. Representative to the United Nations Narcotics Commission. The responsibilities once held by Anslinger are now largely under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy and the agency he ran was a predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). *****
in a fairly recent book (I'm pretty sure it's "In the Realm of Shadows," the author (again, it'd Mate with an acute accent) discloses that Anslinger himself was a heroin addict. Joe McCarthy as well.
for some reason, I've always consigned the motherfucker to a period a long time back. and now I find out that he was giving Playboy interviews when I was graduating from high school, smoking pot whenever I had the chance.
ew.
This makes complete sense, what "better cover" than to campaign as an absolutely driven crusader for good morals and sound values- in fact, "pure as the driven snow cut with Mannitol," simply so deeply concerned about Our American Youth that he can't help being a hardcore opponent of dope! - for Anslinger, and similar with McCarthy!
Those barstewards ruined, destroyed so many people's lives, so often for just smoking some weed, or "trafficking" a few ounces of not that great pot!
Incredibly costly overreaction.