You don’t even need to go back as far as World War II to look at what used to happen when armies took to the battlefield. The last major conflict this country was engaged in was the war in Vietnam. I’m using Vietnam as an example because of the casualties we suffered on the battlefield – some 58,000 dead and over 150,000 wounded. Estimates vary, but as many as 400,000 to 600,000 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong soldiers were killed over the 10 years the U.S.
Brilliant. I was going to write that that same message about nationalization. While we’re at it, can Elon musk be repatriated to South Africa? He’s behaving like a traitor.
There are a number of industries that are quite deserving of nationalization.
Energy, all of it, in whatever form, is at the top of the list. High speed trading firms too. They produce nothing but money off AI generated microtrades. Thousands and thousands of them in seconds.
The so-called privatization of military and other fundamental national security capabilities has long been a vulnerability. And we have Congress and corporate influence (read oligarchy) to thank for transferring our tax dollars to the military industrial complex... and at this point, not only is it a transfer of dollars, but a transfer of national security itself to the likes of "General Musk."
For some time I've been thinking that Elon Musk's behavior reminds me of Howard Hughes. Brilliant mind that became more and more erratic as syphilis ate away at it. Ketamine might be the driver of that sort of behavior as well.
Well I thought tonight I’d only have nightmares from watching Chip &Dale Rescue Rangers - an acid trip if I’ve ever saw one - with my grandson. But now I have exploding carman in space to ponder. If I’m sane by morning I’ll be grateful.
The Kids in class told me all about me about Peppa Pig, but I never actually watched her. I just liked hearing them say Peppa Pig with a missing tooth.
Think about Peppa Pig before you fall asleep. My kids would ask me to give them a dream. So I would tell a little tale, and they would report in the morning. I think they were humoring me, but sweet.
I miss Peppa too! My granddaughters loved her. I watch BritBox and Acorn now. Even the most twisted, vile crimes seem civilized in comparison to the reality of America today!
***** Here's a balanced summary, neither glorifying the substance as a panacea nor
demonizing it as inevitably wreaking psychic havoc.
But for Elon Musk?! *****
High - Dosage Psychedelic Effects of Ketamine
Avesta Ketamine and Wellness Blog High-Dosage Psychedelic Effects of Ketamine
Formerly used as an anesthetic, ketamine is a dissociative drug that can induce a feeling of being detached from reality and your own body. Today it is commonly used to treat anxiety, bipolar disorder, PTSD, and depression¹.
Every person will have different experiences with ketamine; in low doses, ketamine infusions can act as a painkiller and a sedative, creating a relaxing environment for patients. In higher doses, ketamine experiences may include hallucinatory side effects².
Hallucinations as a side effect of ketamine can sound intimidating but are typically uncommon as most patients don’t receive a high enough dosage. Low doses produce positive results with most ketamine patients, but if you need a higher dosage, there is no cause for concern².
Ketamine is a safe drug for treating physical ailments and mental health, but being informed of the types of side effects that you may experience can be helpful to ease concerns about the treatment.
Ketamine as a Psychedelic
In some circumstances, having a psychedelic experience with ketamine may be the goal for both the patient and the medical provider. These hallucinations are sometimes referred to informally as ‘K-land.’
Ketamine’s effects typically provide pain relief, antidepressant effects, and feelings of euphoria, while some patients report having a spiritual experience². When using ketamine in high doses as a psychedelic, your body and mind may become impaired. You may experience a loss of environmental awareness and be temporarily unable to interact with the outside world¹.
Ketamine’s psychedelic effects in high doses may also cause intense visuals and an out-of-body experience. You may feel like you are watching yourself outside of your body, or like you are watching the world or the visuals you see inside a movie theatre. With a high dose, the real world may slip away as you lose connectivity with your environment¹.
Some other common hallucinations you may experience are spinning shapes and fractals with open or closed eyes, and you may experience the sensation of floating, or that time no longer exists¹. During the session, you may also be unable to talk or move your body, or experience nausea, confusion, and dizziness². *****
Click on the link for the rest, and read between the lines of Lucian's usual incisive column to realize
the fix we are all in - pending that hypothetical `intervention,' if that becomes unavoidable.
Juicing goes perfectly with his personality type and the obsessive quest for power and fame. What a well-adjusted person sees as mind altering, that personality type sees it as the opposite, a sense of added focus and purpose. Rest assured, few ever restrict themselves to 1. 1 becomes multiple, then into a cocktail. But, but, but in their damaged mind they can handle it.
History is replete with such examples. 4eg, Alexandar the Great, Queen Victoria, Hitler, Nixon, Trump (...)
"Neither Panacea nor `Worst Drug Ever Prescribed Medically,' or taken outside of medical
supervision" how about that? The latter idea, of just "drugging for kicks" (or worse, as
mode of inducing coerced behavior including non-consensual sex or some crime spree)
is stupid and self-destructive as hell, not sure that will stop the very people who most need
to realize it's stupid and self-destructive, though!) *****
Why is Ketamine Used Medically?
Ketamine can provide pain relief and short-term memory loss (for example, amnesia of a medical procedure).
In surgery, it is used an induction and maintenance agent for sedation and to provide general anesthesia.
It has also been used for pain control in burn therapy, battlefield injuries, and in children who cannot use other anesthetics due to side effects or allergies.
Ketamine, through blocking at the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) site, has rapid action in controlling symptoms of depression and acute suicidal ideation.
At normal doses, it is often preferred as an anesthetic in patients at risk of bronchospasm and respiratory depression.
Now he’s man-splaining because his WebMD paragraph is wholly inappropriate to what Ketamine is or how it’s used. You bullied me once--now you just look like a used up attorney with no medical background.
ROFL, thanks! I wasn't sure how soon you would resort to the pathetic personal attacks, it speaks volumes about your lack of any argument at all to refute a single particle of the linked material, Dawna. "Man-splaining," as if I would not be equally dismissive of a male, really?
Do you even comprehend how silly that is?
"Bullied you," that's also worth a laugh, are you really even reading any of this for content, or just to engage in some ludicrous invective that only serves to embarrass you, not me?
I have never yet "reported" anyone on here - for one thing, I much prefer to leave your comments and mine up here as they are, and let others decide for themselves who made sense and who, well, just couldn't deal with being asked for more than ipse dixit fallacies.
Let me at least get a screenshot, though, so you don't delete all the ungrounded, fact-free
Another meaningless statement as written, nice try though.
AT WHAT DOSAGE is there "no antidote"?, answer THAT and we can discuss further, and what do medical professionals do when someone ingests substance (maybe food, water, whatever) and is convulsively sickened and they do not KNOW of or lack access at that times, to any "antidote," throw up their hands and call the funeral home? Of course not.
Jeez, in all fields known to science and law, concrete details matter when you are talking about drugs (and much else, but let's stick to Ketamine or mind-altering drugs in general) legally prescribed, legal but used to be illegal, legal in some states, not in others, illegal drugs that are so dangerous they have always been shunned once the dangers were established (bathtub gin is one example), non-drugs that are dangerous in large quantities (tap water? Bottled water? Pure spring water? All can cause collapse, as can not enough hydration in numerous scenarios) and that's just off the top of my head.
I encourage people to read THE ENTIRE TEXT OF ANYTHING I LINK TO, OF COURSE, especially since I read it and realized immediately, "this is as common as garden weeds in medicine and law," but you ALWAYS have to take account of possible inadvertent and intentional misuse.
It's like herbal medicine, speaking of "weeds," there are weeds you could pick in the woods that would knock out a team of mules in sufficient dosage, so what? Proves nothing. There are weeds mules and cows could digest and we can't, etc. Still always need much more context, i.e., concrete details and that starts with amount ingested, the dosage.
So, again: at what dosage is there no emetic that would expel enough of the ketamine and serve as the kind of default setting emergency treatment for "too much" of a host of substances? I figure there must ne some dosage that just kills a normal person within minutes or seconds, again, so what? There are endless kinds of drugs like that. We need more facts.
Not saying at all that ketamine is "safe," just quotes medical uses for it, antidote or no antidote.
The online Battle of the Non-Experts continues!
I have no, as in ZERO, direct experience with ketamine, I only know it's being prescribed for some severe (suicidal ideation driven) depression, maybe out of desperation when other ideas have failed, and that EMTs and some cops are carrying it as some kind of "remedy" for overdosed people who are freaking out to subdue them, now THAT sounds like a bad idea but who knows?
Again: a lot definitely depends on the dosage - and I am maybe assuming you already realize, like everything else, it depends on all sorts of other criteria as well, dosage is just a threshold issue:
Age of patient the (3 years old? 83 years old?) chronic underlying conditions, other prescriptions and possible drug interactions, vitamins, supplements pt. takes, a long long list.
thank you, Richard. what you're saying needs to be repeated over and over again. if it's not, we're going to repeatedly find ourselves in what I like to call "Anslinger Territory."
I actually HAVE taken Ketamine a few times and it was not unpleasant (but not remotely as pleasant as other, similar drugs), but DID manage to give me vertigo when I tried to walk anywhere in the apartment. since my balance isn't starting at a great place, I decided to avoid it in the future. from what it sounds like (just to ME), it feels like Ketamine is hardly the worst problem we have with Musk, who's just a prick with money if we're talking about him on a personal basis. if the country is relying on his largesse for stuff THIS important, complaining about his drug use feels like we're putting the metaphorical cart before the metaphorical horse.
Oh god, hopefully there's no current version of Harry J. Anslinger waiting in the wings, I just had a recollection of a Playboy Magazine interview with that S.O.B, in the mid to late 1960s I think, the interviewer let Anslinger talk himself into that authoritarian "Big Brother is Watching" frenzy of dogmatic certainty and just patiently cited contrary considerations, the way I remember it. Seems like there was a time when he was everywhere because of the sometimes serious, sometimes hyperbolic shouts of imminent disaster posed by, not just really dangerous street drugs (Speed Kills etc.) but any use of marijuana, a la "Reefer Madness" - wonder if you saw that film as so many college students did, in my case at a free showing in the Macalester Student Union? Fit right in with the other standards that were shown: all the earlier Marx Brothers films, from Coconuts, Duck Soup, through A Night at the Opera, A Day at the Races, At the Circus, and same thing with W.C. Fields films.
Wiki bio of Harry J. Anslinger, in case someone else wanders here unfamiliar with his reactionary schtick:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Harry J. Anslinger
1st Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
In office
August 12, 1930 – August 17, 1962
President Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Harry Jacob Anslinger (May 20, 1892 – November 14, 1975) was an American government official who served as the first commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics during the presidencies of Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. He was a supporter of Prohibition, and of the criminalization of all drugs, and spearheaded anti-drug policy campaigns.[1][2]
Anslinger has been characterized as an early proponent of the war on drugs, as he zealously advocated for and pursued harsh drug penalties, in particular regarding marijuana.[3] As a propagandist for the war on drugs, he focused on demonizing racial and immigrant groups.[3] He targeted jazz musicians, including singer Billie Holiday.[4][5]
Anslinger held office as commissioner for an unprecedented 32 years, until 1962. He then held office for two years as U.S. Representative to the United Nations Narcotics Commission. The responsibilities once held by Anslinger are now largely under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy and the agency he ran was a predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). *****
OK, (I post this after my reply immediately below, if you want a fuller discussion always glad to oblige), so it gets even MORE bizarre, because the entire section continues in a very different mode than that suggested by the snippet
"[I}n the link posted by Richard Turnbull. "There is no known antidote for this drug".
You did say read the section on Overdose, so let's make it easier, here it is, after a brief introduction:
Ketamine Abuse
Common or street names: Cat Tranquilizer, Cat Valium, Jet K, Kit Kat, Purple, Special K, Special La Coke, Super Acid, Super K, and Vitamin K
******* {{There is a large amount of interesting info here, READ IT if you want to, and do not quote it at me out of context, please! It's tedious but necessary to refute that kind of illicit attempts at probably well-intentioned reasoning, as in "Jeez, someone might think from what Richard posted Ketamine is a cool idea!"
But I ask you, seriously, what kind of world-class thrill seeking jackazz would be on this website in the first place, and who else but that kind of fool would follow that course? That's right, someone already so forked up it's nigh impossible to get them to slow down and think.*}}
Overdose
With an overdose of ketamine, emergency care, such as 911, should be contacted immediately. An overdose can lead to unconsciousness and dangerously slowed breathing. There is no antidote for this drug.
Overdose situations are treated with symptomatic and supportive care in the hospital setting. In the emergency department, adverse effects typically resolve in 1 to 3 hours.
Benzodiazepines such as lorazepam may be used if needed for seizures, excitation, or muscle rigidity.
Respiratory support is rarely needed, but assisted ventilation or supplemental oxygen may be required. Respiratory depression may be more likely if combined with sedatives.
Those who abuse this drug should be referred for drug counseling.
* Any excuse for posting a link to this song will do! \
The Blues Brothers Unrated Version stars comic icons John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd in the outrageously funny musical comedy about Jake and Elwood Blues; two brothers searching for redemption with no money but a briefcase full of soul. Hit the road with musical performances by blues legends Ray Charles, James Brown, Aretha Franklin and Cab Calloway in the action-packed spectacular from acclaimed director John Landis.
Cast: John Belushi, Dan Aykroyd, John Candy, Carrie Fisher, James Brown, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, John Lee Hooker, Steven Spielberg, John Landis, Frank Oz, Cab Calloway, Twiggy, Paul Reubens
Produced by: Robert K. Weiss
Directed by: John Landis
{{ Yeah I know: its a flawed film as a moral instruction text, so sue me!
I think this is in the Sir Toby Belch / Twelfth Night category of
"Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
– William Shakespeare
Twelfth Night, Act 2, Scene 3. Sir Toby fires back at Malvolio after his protest about the late night festivities. Just because Malvolio is self-righteous, does he think fun will disappear, he asks? Malvolio’s order and duty vs Sir Toby’s chaos and excess."
Strongest substance I am drinking these days is instant coffee au lait with pure stevia extract for sweetener - not even the brewed stuff, mind you, makes it easier to monitor the caffeine - but I realize that , unfortunately as one is constantly reminded by news headlines, we live in a "drinking culture," and I don't expect everyone else to always understand they really need to be damn careful with it. C'est la vie, we all do what we can, even a preposterous mook like Trump gives it his best effort, god help us!
as someone trained to supervise interventions, I'm often depressingly amused by how much people have been influenced by television and movies to think that interventions are simple things that usually "work." the opposite is true. but the one rule in ANY "successful intervention is that the identified patient has to be threatened in ways that are 1) very, very meaningful on a personal level and 2) have a probability of being carried out. so, if someone's wife threatens to throw him out and the patient knows that this will probably never happen and/or his marriage is one he's long ago given up on (sorry for the gender specificity, but it's only a quick example), forget the intervention and stay home.
so, for all practical purposes, the idea of a successful intervention launched against a powerful, grandiose billionaire (or for a blue-collar loyal supporter of TFF) is a very dicey proposition indeed.
Elon Musk is as dangerous as Trump, Putin, and all the rest of the authoritarians. He's just one more childlike supposed grownup who is completely impressed with himself and his opinions and assessments of things. And about that Ketamine, yes, he's been taking it for depression. Worse, he also uses it as a party drug, which is a really dangerous thing meaning he takes a whole lot more to get out of control, to forget reality, to gloss over the disappointments of his day and he has more and more disappointments as time goes on. Depending on the likes of Musk for the things we're depending on him for is as scary as if he were a world leader. In many ways, he has more power than each one of them individually.
It is obvious you can take the boy out of West Point, but you can't take West Point out of the boy.
The Vietnam references speak to this.
"The problem, however, is that the whole thing – from the 4,500 satellites to every single station on the ground – is at the mercy of one man, Elon Musk." When Starlink first appeared, it occurred to me that a civilian should not be allowed to own and control this kind of technology. And now we learn that in addition to being nuts, he's taking a drug that amps up grandiosity. Swell. Crazy appears to be in ascendance. Buckle up. (Though if Musk and Starlink become too much of a problem, I have little doubt that the CIA will solve it, if you receive my drift.)
The science fiction author Larry Niven foresaw a future in which a mega-corporation, General Products, would become more powerful than any government. Another sci-fi master, Robert Heinlein, predicted a future that included a religious dictatorship in the U.S. starting during the early part of this century. Let's hope they were both wrong.
This gives me the creeps. It's worse than having Crazy Man Trump in the White House. At least presidents can be dis-elected -- if we keep managing to fend off attempted coups.
Interesting little factoid, the current solar maximum is early and very active. This level of solar radiation has the affect of causing our planet's atmosphere to puff outwards. This puffing is causing those low earth satellites to be got in the thicker air, causing drag which ultimately causes them to come crashing down. Poor General Elon, space bites back.
Farming out _any_ part of national security to private contractors is a bad idea. I saw a flattering piece about Musk a couple of years ago, clearly was done by his own organization. It spent a lot of time hyping how brilliant he supposedly is, but of course mentioned none of his flaws. It made a big deal about Musk's early ambition to Save The World and Get Humanity to Other Planets. Apparently in adulthood this has morphed into some sort of either messiah or - in his own view benevolent - dictator complex.
So now Elon Musk could be the next Narcissist Ego Monster running amok. And this time, the U.S. government, Pentagon, and some _sane_ self-made billionaire corporate CEOs will have to pool their knowledge to take him down, because it sounds like each of those power centers alone would have no clue what to do.
They, some of them in each field, may know very well what "needs to be done," but doing it legally (since done illegally has a host of problems, one being THAT IT IS ILLEGAL!) can require exactly the coordination you mention.
That's much tougher and more time-consuming unless General Musk gets whopped up side the head by his own hubris and makes it nearly impossible for them to avoid a scramble to respond. For example, if he starts violating the Neutrality Act of 1794 (seriously enough, some violations are far too picayune to do more than issue warnings) it might do the trick.
It cuts both ways, though, with General Dreedle, I mean, Musk, possibly cooperating illegally with Putin's aggressive Russian invasion, and others helping Ukraine, including traveling there to serve in either combat or as medical support, etc.
Foreign Fighters, Neutrality Act, Russia, Ukraine, Use of Force
Following Russia’s invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy issued a worldwide call for people to come to Ukraine and join the fight. Citizens of many countries have responded, including Americans. Ukraine claims that thousands of Americans have applied, and an unknown number are already there. Groups of foreign fighters not under direct Ukrainian control are also organizing. Online pages for people interested in joining the fight have tens of thousands of members.
Ukraine’s cause is just, and it is easy to admire Americans who are willing to take up arms in defense of a struggling democracy against authoritarian Russia’s illegal, monstrous, and utterly unwarranted war of aggression.
Americans contemplating joining the war in Ukraine or already there need to know, however, that they risk violating the Neutrality Act, a foreign relations law dating to the nation’s Founding Era. The criminal liability risk mainly pertains if Americans join Ukraine’s forces within U.S. jurisdiction, or organize and launch a private military expedition against Russia while still within the United States.
Starlink should be nationalized. We're already paying for it anyway.
Brilliant. I was going to write that that same message about nationalization. While we’re at it, can Elon musk be repatriated to South Africa? He’s behaving like a traitor.
There are a number of industries that are quite deserving of nationalization.
Energy, all of it, in whatever form, is at the top of the list. High speed trading firms too. They produce nothing but money off AI generated microtrades. Thousands and thousands of them in seconds.
But, 'ya know, SOCIALISM!!!
change one word and you could change a nation.
Not the concept, just the word itself. The word has been vilified.
If only.
Don’t negotiate, nationalize.
The so-called privatization of military and other fundamental national security capabilities has long been a vulnerability. And we have Congress and corporate influence (read oligarchy) to thank for transferring our tax dollars to the military industrial complex... and at this point, not only is it a transfer of dollars, but a transfer of national security itself to the likes of "General Musk."
Was the military-industrial complex gifted to us by Eisenhower? I can’t remember.
No, Eisenhower warned of its dangerous and expensive power: "The Military Industrial Congressional Complex."
yes, he did. the fact that he warned about it on his way out can't negate that fact.
In the same way that Oppenheimer regretted what he created?
I've never thought about it that way. I suppose it's possible.
Thank you.
He's a true Bond villain.
For some time I've been thinking that Elon Musk's behavior reminds me of Howard Hughes. Brilliant mind that became more and more erratic as syphilis ate away at it. Ketamine might be the driver of that sort of behavior as well.
What a smart analogy.
That's exactly what I have been thinking.
Well I thought tonight I’d only have nightmares from watching Chip &Dale Rescue Rangers - an acid trip if I’ve ever saw one - with my grandson. But now I have exploding carman in space to ponder. If I’m sane by morning I’ll be grateful.
Sounds like you need a little Ernest & Celestine.
Bliss, I miss the Peppa Pig days
The Kids in class told me all about me about Peppa Pig, but I never actually watched her. I just liked hearing them say Peppa Pig with a missing tooth.
She’s a silly little pig but she grows on you. Tiny morality tales. No nightmares.
Think about Peppa Pig before you fall asleep. My kids would ask me to give them a dream. So I would tell a little tale, and they would report in the morning. I think they were humoring me, but sweet.
How wonderful: giving them a dream.
You’re right, Bliss. What a lovely exercise
I miss Peppa too! My granddaughters loved her. I watch BritBox and Acorn now. Even the most twisted, vile crimes seem civilized in comparison to the reality of America today!
"There needs to be an intervention...but who is positioned to do it?"
--- Every Sane U.S. Intel and Military Decision-Maker when Elon Musk's name comes up.
avestaketaminewellness.com/blog/high-dosage-psychedelic-effects-of-ketamine
***** Here's a balanced summary, neither glorifying the substance as a panacea nor
demonizing it as inevitably wreaking psychic havoc.
But for Elon Musk?! *****
High - Dosage Psychedelic Effects of Ketamine
Avesta Ketamine and Wellness Blog High-Dosage Psychedelic Effects of Ketamine
Formerly used as an anesthetic, ketamine is a dissociative drug that can induce a feeling of being detached from reality and your own body. Today it is commonly used to treat anxiety, bipolar disorder, PTSD, and depression¹.
Every person will have different experiences with ketamine; in low doses, ketamine infusions can act as a painkiller and a sedative, creating a relaxing environment for patients. In higher doses, ketamine experiences may include hallucinatory side effects².
Hallucinations as a side effect of ketamine can sound intimidating but are typically uncommon as most patients don’t receive a high enough dosage. Low doses produce positive results with most ketamine patients, but if you need a higher dosage, there is no cause for concern².
Ketamine is a safe drug for treating physical ailments and mental health, but being informed of the types of side effects that you may experience can be helpful to ease concerns about the treatment.
Ketamine as a Psychedelic
In some circumstances, having a psychedelic experience with ketamine may be the goal for both the patient and the medical provider. These hallucinations are sometimes referred to informally as ‘K-land.’
Ketamine’s effects typically provide pain relief, antidepressant effects, and feelings of euphoria, while some patients report having a spiritual experience². When using ketamine in high doses as a psychedelic, your body and mind may become impaired. You may experience a loss of environmental awareness and be temporarily unable to interact with the outside world¹.
Ketamine’s psychedelic effects in high doses may also cause intense visuals and an out-of-body experience. You may feel like you are watching yourself outside of your body, or like you are watching the world or the visuals you see inside a movie theatre. With a high dose, the real world may slip away as you lose connectivity with your environment¹.
Some other common hallucinations you may experience are spinning shapes and fractals with open or closed eyes, and you may experience the sensation of floating, or that time no longer exists¹. During the session, you may also be unable to talk or move your body, or experience nausea, confusion, and dizziness². *****
Click on the link for the rest, and read between the lines of Lucian's usual incisive column to realize
the fix we are all in - pending that hypothetical `intervention,' if that becomes unavoidable.
Ketamine was originally used as an animal tranquilizer. Then is was called the “date rape”drug.
Now it’s a companion drug for space cadets! What next?
Juicing goes perfectly with his personality type and the obsessive quest for power and fame. What a well-adjusted person sees as mind altering, that personality type sees it as the opposite, a sense of added focus and purpose. Rest assured, few ever restrict themselves to 1. 1 becomes multiple, then into a cocktail. But, but, but in their damaged mind they can handle it.
History is replete with such examples. 4eg, Alexandar the Great, Queen Victoria, Hitler, Nixon, Trump (...)
drugs.com/illicit/ketamine.html *****
"Neither Panacea nor `Worst Drug Ever Prescribed Medically,' or taken outside of medical
supervision" how about that? The latter idea, of just "drugging for kicks" (or worse, as
mode of inducing coerced behavior including non-consensual sex or some crime spree)
is stupid and self-destructive as hell, not sure that will stop the very people who most need
to realize it's stupid and self-destructive, though!) *****
Why is Ketamine Used Medically?
Ketamine can provide pain relief and short-term memory loss (for example, amnesia of a medical procedure).
In surgery, it is used an induction and maintenance agent for sedation and to provide general anesthesia.
It has also been used for pain control in burn therapy, battlefield injuries, and in children who cannot use other anesthetics due to side effects or allergies.
Ketamine, through blocking at the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) site, has rapid action in controlling symptoms of depression and acute suicidal ideation.
At normal doses, it is often preferred as an anesthetic in patients at risk of bronchospasm and respiratory depression.
Now he’s man-splaining because his WebMD paragraph is wholly inappropriate to what Ketamine is or how it’s used. You bullied me once--now you just look like a used up attorney with no medical background.
Ok. Now that you admit you’ve been baiting me, I’m blocking you.
Of course I did no such thing, but thanks for blocking me.
ROFL, thanks! I wasn't sure how soon you would resort to the pathetic personal attacks, it speaks volumes about your lack of any argument at all to refute a single particle of the linked material, Dawna. "Man-splaining," as if I would not be equally dismissive of a male, really?
Do you even comprehend how silly that is?
"Bullied you," that's also worth a laugh, are you really even reading any of this for content, or just to engage in some ludicrous invective that only serves to embarrass you, not me?
I have never yet "reported" anyone on here - for one thing, I much prefer to leave your comments and mine up here as they are, and let others decide for themselves who made sense and who, well, just couldn't deal with being asked for more than ipse dixit fallacies.
Let me at least get a screenshot, though, so you don't delete all the ungrounded, fact-free
nonsense and proceed to distort what happened.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipse_dixit
Ipse dixit (Latin for "he said it himself") is an assertion without proof, or a dogmatic expression of opinion.[1][2]
Read the section on Overdose in the link posted by Richard Turnbull. "There is no known antidote for this drug".
Another meaningless statement as written, nice try though.
AT WHAT DOSAGE is there "no antidote"?, answer THAT and we can discuss further, and what do medical professionals do when someone ingests substance (maybe food, water, whatever) and is convulsively sickened and they do not KNOW of or lack access at that times, to any "antidote," throw up their hands and call the funeral home? Of course not.
Jeez, in all fields known to science and law, concrete details matter when you are talking about drugs (and much else, but let's stick to Ketamine or mind-altering drugs in general) legally prescribed, legal but used to be illegal, legal in some states, not in others, illegal drugs that are so dangerous they have always been shunned once the dangers were established (bathtub gin is one example), non-drugs that are dangerous in large quantities (tap water? Bottled water? Pure spring water? All can cause collapse, as can not enough hydration in numerous scenarios) and that's just off the top of my head.
I encourage people to read THE ENTIRE TEXT OF ANYTHING I LINK TO, OF COURSE, especially since I read it and realized immediately, "this is as common as garden weeds in medicine and law," but you ALWAYS have to take account of possible inadvertent and intentional misuse.
It's like herbal medicine, speaking of "weeds," there are weeds you could pick in the woods that would knock out a team of mules in sufficient dosage, so what? Proves nothing. There are weeds mules and cows could digest and we can't, etc. Still always need much more context, i.e., concrete details and that starts with amount ingested, the dosage.
So, again: at what dosage is there no emetic that would expel enough of the ketamine and serve as the kind of default setting emergency treatment for "too much" of a host of substances? I figure there must ne some dosage that just kills a normal person within minutes or seconds, again, so what? There are endless kinds of drugs like that. We need more facts.
Not saying at all that ketamine is "safe," just quotes medical uses for it, antidote or no antidote.
The online Battle of the Non-Experts continues!
I have no, as in ZERO, direct experience with ketamine, I only know it's being prescribed for some severe (suicidal ideation driven) depression, maybe out of desperation when other ideas have failed, and that EMTs and some cops are carrying it as some kind of "remedy" for overdosed people who are freaking out to subdue them, now THAT sounds like a bad idea but who knows?
Again: a lot definitely depends on the dosage - and I am maybe assuming you already realize, like everything else, it depends on all sorts of other criteria as well, dosage is just a threshold issue:
Age of patient the (3 years old? 83 years old?) chronic underlying conditions, other prescriptions and possible drug interactions, vitamins, supplements pt. takes, a long long list.
thank you, Richard. what you're saying needs to be repeated over and over again. if it's not, we're going to repeatedly find ourselves in what I like to call "Anslinger Territory."
I actually HAVE taken Ketamine a few times and it was not unpleasant (but not remotely as pleasant as other, similar drugs), but DID manage to give me vertigo when I tried to walk anywhere in the apartment. since my balance isn't starting at a great place, I decided to avoid it in the future. from what it sounds like (just to ME), it feels like Ketamine is hardly the worst problem we have with Musk, who's just a prick with money if we're talking about him on a personal basis. if the country is relying on his largesse for stuff THIS important, complaining about his drug use feels like we're putting the metaphorical cart before the metaphorical horse.
Oh god, hopefully there's no current version of Harry J. Anslinger waiting in the wings, I just had a recollection of a Playboy Magazine interview with that S.O.B, in the mid to late 1960s I think, the interviewer let Anslinger talk himself into that authoritarian "Big Brother is Watching" frenzy of dogmatic certainty and just patiently cited contrary considerations, the way I remember it. Seems like there was a time when he was everywhere because of the sometimes serious, sometimes hyperbolic shouts of imminent disaster posed by, not just really dangerous street drugs (Speed Kills etc.) but any use of marijuana, a la "Reefer Madness" - wonder if you saw that film as so many college students did, in my case at a free showing in the Macalester Student Union? Fit right in with the other standards that were shown: all the earlier Marx Brothers films, from Coconuts, Duck Soup, through A Night at the Opera, A Day at the Races, At the Circus, and same thing with W.C. Fields films.
Wiki bio of Harry J. Anslinger, in case someone else wanders here unfamiliar with his reactionary schtick:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Harry J. Anslinger
1st Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
In office
August 12, 1930 – August 17, 1962
President Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Harry Jacob Anslinger (May 20, 1892 – November 14, 1975) was an American government official who served as the first commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics during the presidencies of Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. He was a supporter of Prohibition, and of the criminalization of all drugs, and spearheaded anti-drug policy campaigns.[1][2]
Anslinger has been characterized as an early proponent of the war on drugs, as he zealously advocated for and pursued harsh drug penalties, in particular regarding marijuana.[3] As a propagandist for the war on drugs, he focused on demonizing racial and immigrant groups.[3] He targeted jazz musicians, including singer Billie Holiday.[4][5]
Anslinger held office as commissioner for an unprecedented 32 years, until 1962. He then held office for two years as U.S. Representative to the United Nations Narcotics Commission. The responsibilities once held by Anslinger are now largely under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy and the agency he ran was a predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). *****
OK, (I post this after my reply immediately below, if you want a fuller discussion always glad to oblige), so it gets even MORE bizarre, because the entire section continues in a very different mode than that suggested by the snippet
"[I}n the link posted by Richard Turnbull. "There is no known antidote for this drug".
You did say read the section on Overdose, so let's make it easier, here it is, after a brief introduction:
Ketamine Abuse
Common or street names: Cat Tranquilizer, Cat Valium, Jet K, Kit Kat, Purple, Special K, Special La Coke, Super Acid, Super K, and Vitamin K
******* {{There is a large amount of interesting info here, READ IT if you want to, and do not quote it at me out of context, please! It's tedious but necessary to refute that kind of illicit attempts at probably well-intentioned reasoning, as in "Jeez, someone might think from what Richard posted Ketamine is a cool idea!"
But I ask you, seriously, what kind of world-class thrill seeking jackazz would be on this website in the first place, and who else but that kind of fool would follow that course? That's right, someone already so forked up it's nigh impossible to get them to slow down and think.*}}
Overdose
With an overdose of ketamine, emergency care, such as 911, should be contacted immediately. An overdose can lead to unconsciousness and dangerously slowed breathing. There is no antidote for this drug.
Overdose situations are treated with symptomatic and supportive care in the hospital setting. In the emergency department, adverse effects typically resolve in 1 to 3 hours.
Benzodiazepines such as lorazepam may be used if needed for seizures, excitation, or muscle rigidity.
Respiratory support is rarely needed, but assisted ventilation or supplemental oxygen may be required. Respiratory depression may be more likely if combined with sedatives.
Those who abuse this drug should be referred for drug counseling.
* Any excuse for posting a link to this song will do! \
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{{ Yeah I know: its a flawed film as a moral instruction text, so sue me!
I think this is in the Sir Toby Belch / Twelfth Night category of
"Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
– William Shakespeare
Twelfth Night, Act 2, Scene 3. Sir Toby fires back at Malvolio after his protest about the late night festivities. Just because Malvolio is self-righteous, does he think fun will disappear, he asks? Malvolio’s order and duty vs Sir Toby’s chaos and excess."
allgreatquotes.com/shakespeare-quotes-750/
Strongest substance I am drinking these days is instant coffee au lait with pure stevia extract for sweetener - not even the brewed stuff, mind you, makes it easier to monitor the caffeine - but I realize that , unfortunately as one is constantly reminded by news headlines, we live in a "drinking culture," and I don't expect everyone else to always understand they really need to be damn careful with it. C'est la vie, we all do what we can, even a preposterous mook like Trump gives it his best effort, god help us!
as someone trained to supervise interventions, I'm often depressingly amused by how much people have been influenced by television and movies to think that interventions are simple things that usually "work." the opposite is true. but the one rule in ANY "successful intervention is that the identified patient has to be threatened in ways that are 1) very, very meaningful on a personal level and 2) have a probability of being carried out. so, if someone's wife threatens to throw him out and the patient knows that this will probably never happen and/or his marriage is one he's long ago given up on (sorry for the gender specificity, but it's only a quick example), forget the intervention and stay home.
so, for all practical purposes, the idea of a successful intervention launched against a powerful, grandiose billionaire (or for a blue-collar loyal supporter of TFF) is a very dicey proposition indeed.
just saying.
Elon Musk is as dangerous as Trump, Putin, and all the rest of the authoritarians. He's just one more childlike supposed grownup who is completely impressed with himself and his opinions and assessments of things. And about that Ketamine, yes, he's been taking it for depression. Worse, he also uses it as a party drug, which is a really dangerous thing meaning he takes a whole lot more to get out of control, to forget reality, to gloss over the disappointments of his day and he has more and more disappointments as time goes on. Depending on the likes of Musk for the things we're depending on him for is as scary as if he were a world leader. In many ways, he has more power than each one of them individually.
Holy spit. He’s batshit crazy
It is obvious you can take the boy out of West Point, but you can't take West Point out of the boy.
The Vietnam references speak to this.
"The problem, however, is that the whole thing – from the 4,500 satellites to every single station on the ground – is at the mercy of one man, Elon Musk." When Starlink first appeared, it occurred to me that a civilian should not be allowed to own and control this kind of technology. And now we learn that in addition to being nuts, he's taking a drug that amps up grandiosity. Swell. Crazy appears to be in ascendance. Buckle up. (Though if Musk and Starlink become too much of a problem, I have little doubt that the CIA will solve it, if you receive my drift.)
I’m drifting with you Margo 👍
I am reminded of a saying of my father: "Money doesn't care who has it."
Good one Margo! 👍🏼
Thanks. And it wouldn't be the first time ...
not unlike that Brecht thing: "a fart has no nose."
Gotta tell you I had to look that one up.
The science fiction author Larry Niven foresaw a future in which a mega-corporation, General Products, would become more powerful than any government. Another sci-fi master, Robert Heinlein, predicted a future that included a religious dictatorship in the U.S. starting during the early part of this century. Let's hope they were both wrong.
Pretty close to the present.
TwitX.
thats good.
i call it Xitter. "Xi" is pronounced "Shi". ;)
outstanding
*chef's kiss*
👋🏻👏
This gives me the creeps. It's worse than having Crazy Man Trump in the White House. At least presidents can be dis-elected -- if we keep managing to fend off attempted coups.
Interesting little factoid, the current solar maximum is early and very active. This level of solar radiation has the affect of causing our planet's atmosphere to puff outwards. This puffing is causing those low earth satellites to be got in the thicker air, causing drag which ultimately causes them to come crashing down. Poor General Elon, space bites back.
My pea sized brain has a tough time understanding this. But...I think it’s bad!
When the energy of a solar flare hits the Earth, this excites the atoms and they swell. It is like your pea becomes a garbanzo bean :)
Gee...thank you!
Farming out _any_ part of national security to private contractors is a bad idea. I saw a flattering piece about Musk a couple of years ago, clearly was done by his own organization. It spent a lot of time hyping how brilliant he supposedly is, but of course mentioned none of his flaws. It made a big deal about Musk's early ambition to Save The World and Get Humanity to Other Planets. Apparently in adulthood this has morphed into some sort of either messiah or - in his own view benevolent - dictator complex.
So now Elon Musk could be the next Narcissist Ego Monster running amok. And this time, the U.S. government, Pentagon, and some _sane_ self-made billionaire corporate CEOs will have to pool their knowledge to take him down, because it sounds like each of those power centers alone would have no clue what to do.
They, some of them in each field, may know very well what "needs to be done," but doing it legally (since done illegally has a host of problems, one being THAT IT IS ILLEGAL!) can require exactly the coordination you mention.
That's much tougher and more time-consuming unless General Musk gets whopped up side the head by his own hubris and makes it nearly impossible for them to avoid a scramble to respond. For example, if he starts violating the Neutrality Act of 1794 (seriously enough, some violations are far too picayune to do more than issue warnings) it might do the trick.
justice.gov/file/23616/download
It cuts both ways, though, with General Dreedle, I mean, Musk, possibly cooperating illegally with Putin's aggressive Russian invasion, and others helping Ukraine, including traveling there to serve in either combat or as medical support, etc.
justsecurity.org/80612/american-fighters-ukraine-and-the-neutrality-act-the-law-and-the-urgent-need-for-clarity/
March 15, 2022
Foreign Fighters, Neutrality Act, Russia, Ukraine, Use of Force
Following Russia’s invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy issued a worldwide call for people to come to Ukraine and join the fight. Citizens of many countries have responded, including Americans. Ukraine claims that thousands of Americans have applied, and an unknown number are already there. Groups of foreign fighters not under direct Ukrainian control are also organizing. Online pages for people interested in joining the fight have tens of thousands of members.
Ukraine’s cause is just, and it is easy to admire Americans who are willing to take up arms in defense of a struggling democracy against authoritarian Russia’s illegal, monstrous, and utterly unwarranted war of aggression.
Americans contemplating joining the war in Ukraine or already there need to know, however, that they risk violating the Neutrality Act, a foreign relations law dating to the nation’s Founding Era. The criminal liability risk mainly pertains if Americans join Ukraine’s forces within U.S. jurisdiction, or organize and launch a private military expedition against Russia while still within the United States.
WOW! I guess you are feeling better! Glad of it!