If SCOTUS decides there is presidential immunity, Joe Biden should pick up the phone and turn Seal Team Six loose on P1135809. Yes, it's a criminal act. But he can't be prosecuted for it, can he? Or does immunity only apply to Republican presidents?
If SCOTUS decides there is presidential immunity, Joe Biden should pick up the phone and turn Seal Team Six loose on P1135809. Yes, it's a criminal act. But he can't be prosecuted for it, can he? Or does immunity only apply to Republican presidents?
Good point, George. Theoretically if they did rule that a sitting president had absolute immunity from prosecution, Biden could have all the SC justices mentioned executed by a firing squad.
All theoretical of course - completely ridiculous, but points out the absurdity of the whole thing. Why would a so-called distinguished body even hold a hearing involving immunity of anyone let alone the president. We would become another Russia overnight that would have an untouchable dictator. just like Putin if Trump got elected. Plus he'd never leave office, since deciding to stay would be an official act.
Why would a so-called distinguished body even hold a hearing involving immunity of anyone let alone the president? Obviously, to prevent the monster toddler from being convicted before November.
But he faces three other criminal trials. Aileen Cannon will not let him be tried before November for stealing classified documents. Fani Willis's sex life, which has nothing to do with the trial, may nevertheless delay the trial. But Alvin Bragg's New York prosecution is scheduled to begin on March 25, and, absent unforeseen events, should finish in plenty of time. Let's just hope that the monster toddler is convicted and sentenced to prison. Some say that he won't get prison time merely for paying hush money, but his crime was serious. I've read that he might not have won in 2016 if his relationship with Stormy Daniels had been publicized.
I hadn't thought about the last part; obviously that was why he paid her off, because of the adverse effects that would have had on the electorate: Now the MAGA crowd don't care what he did. .
When SCOTUS rules, Joe Biden will still be the president. He should act immediately if they decide presidents have immunity. I'm thinking something medieval for P1135809 and the SCOTUS majority: drawing, quartering and racking come to mind.
Haha, but upon reflection I was thinking along the lines of less severe but longer lasting humiliation such as bringing back the public stocks where people could throw rotten fruit etc., at them :) . . ." In medieval times, stocks served a dual purpose as both a form of punishment and a means of public humiliation. These medieval punishment devices were designed to restrain and expose offenders, ensuring that their transgressions were publicly known and serving as a deterrent for others.
The stocks were a wooden framework with holes cut out for the offenderтАЩs legs and sometimes hands, depending on the severity of the crime. Offenders would be placed in the stocks in a public square or marketplace, where they would be subjected to the scrutiny and derision of the community.
The primary function of stocks was to physically restrain the offender, limiting their mobility and making them vulnerable to verbal and physical abuse from onlookers. By immobilizing the legs or hands, stocks prevented the offender from escaping or defending themselves, intensifying their sense of humiliation.
The Purpose of Public Punishment and Humiliation
Public punishment served as a visible reminder of the consequences of breaking societal norms and laws.
Humiliation aimed to shame the offender and reinforce social order.
It acted as a form of entertainment, drawing crowds who would jeer, mock, and sometimes throw objects at the offender.
Through the use of stocks, the punishment was not only physically restraining but also psychologically damaging. The public nature of the punishment intensified the shame and humiliation experienced by the offender, as they were exposed to the judgment of their peers.
The practice of using stocks in medieval times reflects the harshness of the justice system and the role of public humiliation as a means of social control. It highlights the power dynamics and the severity of punishments imposed during that era.
Medieval Punishment and Torture: A Brutal Era
During the Middle Ages, punishment and torture were widely utilized to maintain social order and deter criminal behavior.
The penalties imposed during this era were notorious for their brutality and the extreme suffering they inflicted upon offenders.
Various forms of punishment were employed, ranging from public floggings and mutilations to more severe practices such as branding and execution.
One particularly harrowing aspect of medieval punishment was the utilization of torture as a means of extracting confessions and punishing alleged wrongdoers.
These punishments aimed not only to physically harm the individual but also to instill fear and reinforce the authority of the ruling powers....."
I agree that the orange traitor must go before a real court to be tried for treason. The SCJ who accept money and favors from wealthy business owners must be barred from practicing law, and anyone who is accused of sexual assault, or believes this country should be ruled according to a religion, should be removed from the court. (they should not have been appointed to begin with.)
President Biden must be determined to save our democracy and declare martial law if need be. When the election is over and he wins (assuming he wins-if he keeps catering to the authoritarian netanyahu, he may lose crucial votes), the right wing maniacs are going to try to overthrow it again, this time with more force. This time, the DOJ must act immediately and prosecute the offenders, holding them in prison until their trials. (Pres. Biden needs to appoint a new attorney general who will take off the gloves.) This is my view on the whole mess this morning after waking up to the wrong decision the SC has made.
I will also add that anyone in either house of Congress who supported the 1/6 travesty should be removed from office.
Joe seems to be doing everything in his power to LOSE this election, and this week has been shameful. The optics of eating an ice cream cone while commenting on atrocities in Gaza, and today saying a massacre by IDF soldiers on civilians was "complicating" ceasefire talks -- well those are simply beyond awful.
Oh, I'm convinced Trump will NEVER leave office again if he gets back in. Why risk being taken to court again? He's not going anywhere and he'll suspend elections, declare martial law, grant himself "emergency" powers, or have the Constitution changed, whatever he feels like doing, and the Supine GOP will eagerly go along to share in the crumbs of the spoils.
Yes, Kozmo, no question about it. The big question is will the army step in to stop him? Their oath is to the costitution. The question is how many top brass are Trump supporters.
As they say across the pond. BRILLIANT OLD CHUM, BRILLIANT. I would suggest Joe go a bit further. Send in the 101 to arrest all sitting GOP members of the House and send them to a camp where they can be "reeducated" to the real meaning of the Constitution. Put Republican Senators under house arrest and declare them personna non grata. Immediately introduce legislation in both Houses to make abortion and gay marriage legal. Pass a bill restoring the progressive incomd tax and raise the tax on capital gains to 50%. All "official acts." OH, and that Supreme Court? Immediately to be expanded to include another seven justices. Not one of which will be endorsed by the Fedralist Society.
If SCOTUS decides there is presidential immunity, Joe Biden should pick up the phone and turn Seal Team Six loose on P1135809. Yes, it's a criminal act. But he can't be prosecuted for it, can he? Or does immunity only apply to Republican presidents?
Good point, George. Theoretically if they did rule that a sitting president had absolute immunity from prosecution, Biden could have all the SC justices mentioned executed by a firing squad.
All theoretical of course - completely ridiculous, but points out the absurdity of the whole thing. Why would a so-called distinguished body even hold a hearing involving immunity of anyone let alone the president. We would become another Russia overnight that would have an untouchable dictator. just like Putin if Trump got elected. Plus he'd never leave office, since deciding to stay would be an official act.
Why would a so-called distinguished body even hold a hearing involving immunity of anyone let alone the president? Obviously, to prevent the monster toddler from being convicted before November.
But he faces three other criminal trials. Aileen Cannon will not let him be tried before November for stealing classified documents. Fani Willis's sex life, which has nothing to do with the trial, may nevertheless delay the trial. But Alvin Bragg's New York prosecution is scheduled to begin on March 25, and, absent unforeseen events, should finish in plenty of time. Let's just hope that the monster toddler is convicted and sentenced to prison. Some say that he won't get prison time merely for paying hush money, but his crime was serious. I've read that he might not have won in 2016 if his relationship with Stormy Daniels had been publicized.
For sure, Henry, good points
I hadn't thought about the last part; obviously that was why he paid her off, because of the adverse effects that would have had on the electorate: Now the MAGA crowd don't care what he did. .
That is the part that makes it election interference. The FELONY.
Here's hoping that finally, the orange traitor will actually be held accountable and convicted for what he clearly did.
When SCOTUS rules, Joe Biden will still be the president. He should act immediately if they decide presidents have immunity. I'm thinking something medieval for P1135809 and the SCOTUS majority: drawing, quartering and racking come to mind.
That would be appropriate for the century the kristo-fascists want to take us to.
Haha, but upon reflection I was thinking along the lines of less severe but longer lasting humiliation such as bringing back the public stocks where people could throw rotten fruit etc., at them :) . . ." In medieval times, stocks served a dual purpose as both a form of punishment and a means of public humiliation. These medieval punishment devices were designed to restrain and expose offenders, ensuring that their transgressions were publicly known and serving as a deterrent for others.
The stocks were a wooden framework with holes cut out for the offenderтАЩs legs and sometimes hands, depending on the severity of the crime. Offenders would be placed in the stocks in a public square or marketplace, where they would be subjected to the scrutiny and derision of the community.
The primary function of stocks was to physically restrain the offender, limiting their mobility and making them vulnerable to verbal and physical abuse from onlookers. By immobilizing the legs or hands, stocks prevented the offender from escaping or defending themselves, intensifying their sense of humiliation.
The Purpose of Public Punishment and Humiliation
Public punishment served as a visible reminder of the consequences of breaking societal norms and laws.
Humiliation aimed to shame the offender and reinforce social order.
It acted as a form of entertainment, drawing crowds who would jeer, mock, and sometimes throw objects at the offender.
Through the use of stocks, the punishment was not only physically restraining but also psychologically damaging. The public nature of the punishment intensified the shame and humiliation experienced by the offender, as they were exposed to the judgment of their peers.
The practice of using stocks in medieval times reflects the harshness of the justice system and the role of public humiliation as a means of social control. It highlights the power dynamics and the severity of punishments imposed during that era.
Medieval Punishment and Torture: A Brutal Era
During the Middle Ages, punishment and torture were widely utilized to maintain social order and deter criminal behavior.
The penalties imposed during this era were notorious for their brutality and the extreme suffering they inflicted upon offenders.
Various forms of punishment were employed, ranging from public floggings and mutilations to more severe practices such as branding and execution.
One particularly harrowing aspect of medieval punishment was the utilization of torture as a means of extracting confessions and punishing alleged wrongdoers.
These punishments aimed not only to physically harm the individual but also to instill fear and reinforce the authority of the ruling powers....."
https://knightstemplar.co/medieval-stocks-torture-a-harrowing-history/#google_vignette
I would get in line to hurl things!
:) :) Haha Rotten tomatoes or fish heads?
Road apples
Haha, the best so far: A cow dung bonnet would suit Trump don't you think? But might have to be imported from the nearest farm :)
Both, I guess.
You could charge people a dollar to throw things and pay off the national debt in a day.
I agree that the orange traitor must go before a real court to be tried for treason. The SCJ who accept money and favors from wealthy business owners must be barred from practicing law, and anyone who is accused of sexual assault, or believes this country should be ruled according to a religion, should be removed from the court. (they should not have been appointed to begin with.)
President Biden must be determined to save our democracy and declare martial law if need be. When the election is over and he wins (assuming he wins-if he keeps catering to the authoritarian netanyahu, he may lose crucial votes), the right wing maniacs are going to try to overthrow it again, this time with more force. This time, the DOJ must act immediately and prosecute the offenders, holding them in prison until their trials. (Pres. Biden needs to appoint a new attorney general who will take off the gloves.) This is my view on the whole mess this morning after waking up to the wrong decision the SC has made.
I will also add that anyone in either house of Congress who supported the 1/6 travesty should be removed from office.
Joe seems to be doing everything in his power to LOSE this election, and this week has been shameful. The optics of eating an ice cream cone while commenting on atrocities in Gaza, and today saying a massacre by IDF soldiers on civilians was "complicating" ceasefire talks -- well those are simply beyond awful.
I wonder what his advisors are telling him.
Oh, I'm convinced Trump will NEVER leave office again if he gets back in. Why risk being taken to court again? He's not going anywhere and he'll suspend elections, declare martial law, grant himself "emergency" powers, or have the Constitution changed, whatever he feels like doing, and the Supine GOP will eagerly go along to share in the crumbs of the spoils.
Bye-Bye Melanoma!
Yes, Kozmo, no question about it. The big question is will the army step in to stop him? Their oath is to the costitution. The question is how many top brass are Trump supporters.
As they say across the pond. BRILLIANT OLD CHUM, BRILLIANT. I would suggest Joe go a bit further. Send in the 101 to arrest all sitting GOP members of the House and send them to a camp where they can be "reeducated" to the real meaning of the Constitution. Put Republican Senators under house arrest and declare them personna non grata. Immediately introduce legislation in both Houses to make abortion and gay marriage legal. Pass a bill restoring the progressive incomd tax and raise the tax on capital gains to 50%. All "official acts." OH, and that Supreme Court? Immediately to be expanded to include another seven justices. Not one of which will be endorsed by the Fedralist Society.
Such a delicious fantasy.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
It seems to me the GOP is pushing this prez immunity idea with the assumption that there will never again be a Dem president.
Ya think?
Oh yes. Biden should send Drumpf to Gitmo and then have him Putinized. Why not? It's him or himself.
Biden should lock up a bunch of those "Justices" too, while he's at it, and banish Loose Cannon to a desert island.